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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    People have a right to be treated equally under the law. If a business chooses to be open to the public we have entered a legal discussion.
    And this entire discussion stemmed from Taylor defending the right of magistrates to refuse to perform marriage licensing duties under the dumb ass "Religious Freedoms" laws some states, including my own (despite Gubernatorial veto) have passed.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The modern concept of marriage is an equal partnership which is impossible in polygamy.
    You're kidding, right? Are you saying that you couldn't place equal percentages to any combination of people?

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And this entire discussion stemmed from Taylor defending the right of magistrates to refuse to perform marriage licensing duties under the dumb ass "Religious Freedoms" laws some states, including my own (despite Gubernatorial veto) have passed.
    That's nice, we still need to recognize that opposing racial discrimination in public business is a matter of equality under the laws that regulate public businesses.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And this entire discussion stemmed from Taylor defending the right of magistrates to refuse to perform marriage licensing duties under the dumb ass "Religious Freedoms" laws some states, including my own (despite Gubernatorial veto) have passed.
    This ruling, and specifically Kennedy's reluctance to place narrow definitions of the "free exercise thereof" in his majority opinion, when, lets face it, it is kind of a really important thing to overlook for someone so well versed in the constitution, suggests to me, that, he knew full-well that this was going to cause a lot of problems with an actual enumerated right of freedom of religion. What he effectively said without parsing of words, was that, people of conscious are free to hold their views, free to share their views, but not free to practice their views outside the "appropriate" confines of there homes and places of worship. He basically spat on the free exercise thereof portion of the 1st Amendment. One might argue that freedom from religion is a valid argument in favor of public accommodation laws, but it goes much farther than just freedom of religion, IMO. The principle of the 1st Amendment was so important it became the very first enumerated right. The really liberal among us have been trying forever to whittle that down and until a few days ago have never really succeeded. The right to free speech, of association, and of religion and freedom of the press is NOT to be abridged by the government, not just for a little while, it means FOREVER and EVER!

    American's have allowed their 1st Amendment freedoms to become less and less broad over the last few 100 years by this and that form of legislative action designed with the sole purpose to afford government some level of control, re: the commerce clause, separation of church and state, public accommodation, and many other abridgments that aren't called that, they're merely proper and necessary, and those narratives by an ever increasing dumbing of the electorate swallow it hook line and sinker. In political theory this is called inching, or some have called it nudging, but the concept is more fully understood when taken in totality. The truth is that we really don't have the freedoms and liberty once guaranteed to us because politicians and an all too willing electorate find that when someone kills someone with a gun, Oh damn now we need "regulations" to keep them safe, and on, and on, and on it goes. Freedom of speech, association, has seen the same inching over the last 100 years. Look at states rights.. Talk about the most egregious examples..

    Gruber was right... American's as a whole are too stupid to know what's good for them.


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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Polygamous Montana trio applies for wedding license

    Can't see how this can be stopped.
    it probably will not be stopped in the long run.ssm marriage is protected by the constitution,i fail to see how multiple spouse marriages would not be protected under the 14th as well,the only ones that would not be protected would be marriage to an animal or marriage to a child,as neither can be consenting which would fall under due process of law.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It has nothing to do with what I say or want. It is society that has advanced I was merely stating a fact for you. Equality of the sexes is mainstream in most modern societies.
    Ah...so SOCIETY gets to determine what is right or wrong? Wait...I thought the Supreme Court just declared that to be NOT the case (much to your great joy)?

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that isn't what was posted or what I responded to.
    Well let's look at what was posted (Bold used to replace italics of original post since quoted material becomes all italics):
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Restrictions on marriage might very well disappear, but the benefits offered aren't going to (disappear).
    And yes I added the word in parentheses to further highlight the quote.

    Your response, which quoted the exact same quote above:
    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is discrimination I thought you hated discrimination.
    restrictions on marriage may disappear but benefits are not going to disappear. Where is the discrimination in that?

    The poster said that sure they can get married but the restrictions on benefits would still be in place.
    Not in that quote they didn't. If they did elsewhere, then you should have quoted that post instead.

    The rest of your post #97 has nothing to do with Deuce's Post #8
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Polygamous Montana trio applies for wedding license

    Can't see how this can be stopped.
    Given that the ruling specifically talked about two person marriages, it will easily be stopped. The incest couples should sue though, there is absolutely no way to interpret the new ruling to ban incest marriage.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And.... we need to get away from this idea that everyone else should be forced to comply with societal "Norms"
    Who is being 'forced to comply' with societal norms? Ive never suggested people should 'comply' with societal norms. Quite the opposite.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Abraham, David, Solomon... all men of God in the Old Testament but note, they normally did not have more than a few.
    Seriously? you used the word "few" with Solomom? 700 seems to me to be more than a few. Sorry the incongruence just smacked me in the face.
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