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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What's the compelling state interest in not giving polygamous spouses hospital visitation rights? Child support and alimony? Automatic rights to joint parenting? Exclusion from crime victims counseling and protection programs afforded to monogamous married couples? Etc.
    Those are not fundamental rights, so the standard necessary for a State to prove is lower. Again, in order to uphold a law which infringes upon a fundamental right (marriage), the State has to prove that is has a compelling interest and that its law is narrowly tailored to achieve that goal. In the scenario of polygamous marriage, the State has managed, in every case thus far, to meet that burden.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    I'm a "bigot on the left" and I don't give a **** who you marry or how many people you marry as long as they are of legal age and carry human DNA. It's none of my business if one of you hicks from Mississippi want to marry your sister-aunt. It's the southern conservative states and Mormon strongholds (also conservative) where cousin ****ing, animal ****ing and polygamy occur the most anyway, so consider it a win for the south.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Were they born polygamous, or was it a choice?
    More support for polygamy than monogamy in the human species in general, not to mention every other species on Earth, so yeah, one could say that a monogamous relationship, evolutionarily speaking is a relatively new concept.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Gay marriage has been the law of the land in many states and many countries for years now. Look to them as examples for all the chaos and mayhem that has occurred. Make a list, and report back to us with your findings.
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    So society is worse off when the people are more free?

    How does 3 people's decision to join in marriage affect you?
    No, society is worse off when there's less personal restraint. No, not state imposed, personally or society imposed. The expectation of self-imposed restraint.
    It's pretty clear that we, as a society, are losing that, if we haven't lost it already.

    Think back to the Roman empire and their excessive hedonism that was partially responsible for their downfall. The parallel is pretty clear. Unfettered, unrestrained hedonistic societies don't last long.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Well unlike gay marriage, which is supported by the majority of Americans and most Americans know a gay person, polygamy is a uniquely conservative Christian issue.
    You seem to have missed the point of the SCOTUS decision in hilarious fashion. The lazy as ess Gay-Marriage lobby fought against the idea of a majority rule on the definition of marriage and in favor of marriage as a right. You have no control over the definition of marriage at this point. If the majority of the country is against polygamy then tough ess. "Love Wins".

    Along with incestuous relationships, and relations between humans and animals, these are unique family set-ups that mostly apply to conservatives in the "car on the lawn states." Most Americans don't know on a personal level incestuous or polygamous couples, therefore the fight for their rights won't be in the forefront of American politics.
    Nobody has to fight for their rights anymore, the SCOTUS made marriage a right so the majority can no longer define what marriage is.

    Since it is a uniquely conservative issue and phenomenon, conservatives will have to chalk up the arguments for pro-incest and pro-polygamous marriages. You can start with the OT, which is a unique selling point among our nations most religious and might win you sympathy in the courts.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Since the government isn't a house of worship or endorses any religious belief.....
    Nor does the government prohibit the free exercise of religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    how about firing those government employees that refuse to do their jobs and replace them with ones who will?.
    Typically, the government can't force people to abandon their constitutional rights as a condition of employment.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    More support for polygamy than monogamy in the human species in general, not to mention every other species on Earth, so yeah, one could say that a monogamous relationship, evolutionarily speaking is a relatively new concept.

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    The problem is that if polygamy becomes common then there will suddenly be an ever growing group of people for whom even one marriage partner is unavailable.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The problem is that if polygamy becomes common then there will suddenly be an ever growing group of people for whom even one marriage partner is unavailable.
    Not the problem of the court, or of the people. Does one now have a fundamental right to a partner? Good luck floating that one by even this court. I suppose Kennedy could say that human dignity requires that we preserve the herd for the less endowed among us..

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    The best answer that I have found, after some in depth research into recent court cases, for the answer to your question is, "the state." Specifically as it relates to the tax incentives and inheritance laws of marriage. If a polygamist relationship is allowed, then the probability of fraud goes up quite a bit and thus, the State could be forced to pay out the benefits of a polygamous relationship with very little control over the supposed societal benefits associated with a family structure that is anchored by marriage.
    Soooo, you are making essentially the anti-Gay-marriage argument against polygamy. Good try.

    What "fraud" could a polygamist family perpetrate?
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Not the problem of the court, or of the people. Does one now have a fundamental right to a partner? Good luck floating that one by even this court. I suppose Kennedy could say that human dignity requires that we preserve the herd for the less endowed among us..

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    Oh I agree! I am making an argument for why polygamy will be a problem for society, but based on the SCOTUS ruling there is no way to stop polygamists.
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