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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Sorry, but no.


    God speaks, man misinterprets.

    The Bible has been used to excuse cults that have sex with children, human sacrifice, and all manner of deeds. It has been misinterpreted by entire churches and in my view an entire era, the dark ages.

    It is the single best selling book every year, it has been studied more than all other books and laws combined, is the basis of both western justice systems, British and Napoleonic, and the best resource known to man in the studies of anthropology.

    And, it is the single most disputed book in the history of the known universe. There are at least 25 ideological pathways, with sub pathways and merged pathways. Each passage has been studied and analyzed again and again, and there is almost NO base agreement. Even when most books are written are defined as "it is believed to have been..." and is most presumed to be the work of saint...." and that's the "new" testament.

    So, the Bible is NOT law. What is written, the words, are not directions from God, but His follower's cultural understanding of him at that time, reflected in poetry, song, story telling etc.

    So we cannot say the Bible says this, as there is no consensus. For instance, the dark ages interpretation of Jonah is all about the "fish" and being "swallowed"...when there never was a fish according to new schools of thought. When you place the origin of the story in what was happening at the time, wandering in the desert, what could be more scary than a 'monster' from the deep of a people many of whom have never seen a large body of water. Beacuse as yo9u read the story, it is not about a whale or a fish, it is about a man who tries not to do the will of God, goes to extremes to avoid it, and ends up there anyway..and a miracle results.

    So no, the Bible settles nothing, but does what it was intended to do, but begin medications on what the stories are telling us. It is not an end, but The beginning.
    YES, man often misinterprets. The Bible is very clear on most subjects and condones none of those practices you mention.

    And true, the Bible is not law (though modern jurisprudence is derived directly from it), but freedom of religion is.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And that is irrelevant..... As we are a nation of peoples of ALL religions. People in the USA should not be subject to laws fashioned to tailor our lifestyles to a particular religion's tenements.
    Uhm, I thought you were done pestering me.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    YES, man often misinterprets. The Bible is very clear on most subjects and condones none of those practices you mention.

    And true, the Bible is not law (though modern jurisprudence is derived directly from it), but freedom of religion is.
    Freedom of religion means that you have a right to believe things, and not be specifically targeted for your beliefs or religion, nor can religion itself be restricted as a whole. But it doesn't give people an excuse to refuse to do their jobs or to break a law that actually legitimately affects someone else just because they have those religious beliefs.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Conscientious objectors have always had to pay for government services they disagree with. Religiously based pacifism is the largest example of this I can think of.



    The principle here is not mob rule. Marriage is one of the areas where I'm rather apathetic to be quite honest. If there was a push for legalized polyamorous marriage, I'd probably be for it. If there was a push for getting the government out of marriage and issuing everyone a civil union, I'd probably be for it. But those issues themselves are on the fringe of society so much to the extent that these reforms won't have much of an impact on, well, anything, except that a large number of people will be upset about it. I view 'under God' in the pledge of allegiance the same way. Theoretically it should be removed, but it's not worth wasting time on and will unnecessarily upset the majority. Don't get me wrong, there are cases where I hold very unpopular opinions and support actions that might be considered unpopular, but that is on issues that have extensive real life consequences.
    I thought about it a lot too. It is elemental to democracy, where minorities are to be protected. I really don't think that the government should be allowed to impede religious practice or free expression but for security reasons and where other solutions are impossible.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    It doesn't matter.....

    What is convenient or cheap for the government should not be a factor in considering what rights and liberties are permitted the people.

    Also, the fact that Bigamy laws were in place long before the welfare state we live in today, shows that this was not the reason for creating Bigamy laws in the first place, and thus they should be struck down.
    Removing all constraints on the electorate on this, and other, matters isn't going to do the society any good. More likely that it'll implode and fall apart and lose all cohesion.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Just more evidence that government should remove itself from the wedding business altogether.

    Gays getting married doesn't really mean they're married. I certainly don't recognize it as marriage (like I don't recognize many heterosexual marriages either). It's nowhere near the equivalent of my marriage.

    It takes more than a piece of paper. Marriage is about faith and raising children. It's not a "state" matter. That's why this issue hasn't really mattered to me because it changes nothing.

    But if the state wants to get involved with the "freedom" nonsense of it all, then anybody should be allowed to marry anyone, or anything, and as many as they please. I mean, marriage is about equality and freedom, right?

    This is what happens when you mess with the fabric of our culture.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Removing all constraints on the electorate on this, and other, matters isn't going to do the society any good. More likely that it'll implode and fall apart and lose all cohesion.
    : Maybe that's the desired end result - lots of chaos to keep us distracted from the real problems facing this country? "Feel good" seems to sell better than stark reality, because reality requires work like fixing infrastructure that is crumbling; what to do about costs rising on food and utilities that overwhelm the poor; constant worry about terrorism conducted by barbarians who have no regard for human life; providing jobs for those who want to work; lawmakers who only serve themselves; and worst of all, spinning lies and corruption as nothing to worry about.

    Out for a while for lunch....
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    YES, man often misinterprets. The Bible is very clear on most subjects and condones none of those practices you mention.

    And true, the Bible is not law (though modern jurisprudence is derived directly from it), but freedom of religion is.
    Agreed, but the bold is subject to interpretation.

    And as pointed out, one or two theology courses relieves one of the notion that anything is cut and dried. As several years, my theological core is that it is a matter of your one on one relationship with the Father through the Son, the living God who speaks to us daily. And in the end, He is the ultimate authority.

    If you know Him and how he led his ministry, from the social sins He deliberately committed, the woman at the well, consorting with drunks, lepers and tax collectors and NOT the authorities of the time, I have to ask myself with whom would associate with today? The more I study the more I question whether a clergy was ever intended, and that we all were supposed to be apostles.
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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Agreed, but the bold is subject to interpretation.

    And as pointed out, one or two theology courses relieves one of the notion that anything is cut and dried. As several years, my theological core is that it is a matter of your one on one relationship with the Father through the Son, the living God who speaks to us daily. And in the end, He is the ultimate authority.

    If you know Him and how he led his ministry, from the social sins He deliberately committed, the woman at the well, consorting with drunks, lepers and tax collectors and NOT the authorities of the time, I have to ask myself with whom would associate with today? The more I study the more I question whether a clergy was ever intended, and that we all were supposed to be apostles.
    The bold is really not subject to interpretation. The Bible is clear.

    Jesus cannot sin, and therefore never has. The Bible is clear on that point as well.

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    Re: Polygamous Montana Trio Applies For Wedding License

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, I think marriage is being redefined. And that it's been redefined, it's open to other possibilities. You don't polygamy has a sexual orientation?
    No, polygamy is not a sexual orientation, and the bigotry you cite doesn't exist. Your point is rubbish.

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