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    California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    "Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed a hotly contested California bill to impose one of the strictest school vaccination laws in the country in the wake of an outbreak of measles at Disneyland late last year.

    California now joins West Virginia and Mississippi as the only states without a personal-belief exemption for vaccines. Medical exemptions will still be available for children with serious health issues. When considering exemptions, doctors may take family medical history into account.

    Effective the 2016-17 school year, children whose parents refuse vaccination and are not granted a medical exemption must be homeschooled. School-age children who currently claim a personal-belief exemption will need to get fully vaccinated by kindergarten and seventh grade, the state's two vaccine checkpoints. The law applies to both public and private schools, as well as daycare centers."

    What's next for California's contentious vaccine law

    So, in order to attend either public or private school in California, all children who don't have a specific medical exemption must now be fully vaccinated against all childhood disease.

    On the surface this seems to be a reasonable public safety measure designed to "protect the children." However, IMO it just one more step down the road of Nanny-State policies designed to violate individual liberty in the name of public security.

    My argument isn't that vaccinations are inherently bad, although as with any pharmaceutical product there is ALWAYS a risk of allergic reaction in a section of the population; nor do I buy into the position that vaccinations cause Autism.

    My argument is about the erosion of the right to be secure in one's physical person from seizure and invasion. A person's physical body is their evidence of existential individuality; the basis from which all claims of individual liberty and inherent rights flow. Forcible invasion of a person's body for ANY reason is a direct assault on their liberty. History demonstrates that once you give a government that kind of power over the individual, it is a slippery slope leading to all sorts of horrors. (See Compulsory Sterilization, Nazi experimentation, etc.)

    It is one thing to lock someone up for a violent act for a period of incarceration, but quite another to require individuals to submit to blood tests, DNA extraction, or the forcible injection of substances into the body because other people think it will make THEM safer.

    In this case, voluntary vaccination serves to protect you and your children from infection. Compelling someone else to do so? I don't think your concerns trump their rights to choose not to.
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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Brown moving to the Right of all of those progressive Palo Alto helicopter parents who started this mess.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    "Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed a hotly contested California bill to impose one of the strictest school vaccination laws in the country in the wake of an outbreak of measles at Disneyland late last year.

    California now joins West Virginia and Mississippi as the only states without a personal-belief exemption for vaccines. Medical exemptions will still be available for children with serious health issues. When considering exemptions, doctors may take family medical history into account.

    Effective the 2016-17 school year, children whose parents refuse vaccination and are not granted a medical exemption must be homeschooled. School-age children who currently claim a personal-belief exemption will need to get fully vaccinated by kindergarten and seventh grade, the state's two vaccine checkpoints. The law applies to both public and private schools, as well as daycare centers."

    What's next for California's contentious vaccine law

    So, in order to attend either public or private school in California, all children who don't have a specific medical exemption must now be fully vaccinated against all childhood disease.

    On the surface this seems to be a reasonable public safety measure designed to "protect the children." However, IMO it just one more step down the road of Nanny-State policies designed to violate individual liberty in the name of public security.

    My argument isn't that vaccinations are inherently bad, although as with any pharmaceutical product there is ALWAYS a risk of allergic reaction in a section of the population; nor do I buy into the position that vaccinations cause Autism.

    My argument is about the erosion of the right to be secure in one's physical person from seizure and invasion. A person's physical body is their evidence of existential individuality; the basis from which all claims of individual liberty and inherent rights flow. Forcible invasion of a person's body for ANY reason is a direct assault on their liberty. History demonstrates that once you give a government that kind of power over the individual, it is a slippery slope leading to all sorts of horrors. (See Compulsory Sterilization, Nazi experimentation, etc.)

    It is one thing to lock someone up for a violent act for a period of incarceration, but quite another to require individuals to submit to blood tests, DNA extraction, or the forcible injection of substances into the body because other people think it will make THEM safer.

    In this case, voluntary vaccination serves to protect you and your children from infection. Compelling someone else to do so? I don't think your concerns trump their rights to choose not to.
    Do you also feel this way about speed limits and DUI laws?

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you also feel this way about speed limits and DUI laws?
    Speed limits do not invade my body.

    DUI laws requiring blood tests I oppose, bit I have no problem with DUI laws that give a choice between voluntarily submitting to a blood test or accepting an automatic legal assumption that you were intoxicated at time of arrest.
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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Speed limits do not invade my body.

    DUI laws requiring blood tests I oppose, bit I have no problem with DUI laws that give a choice between voluntarily submitting to a blood test or accepting an automatic legal assumption that you were intoxicated at time of arrest.
    So you don't have a problem with a choice between vaccination and home schooling, I take it.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Seems reasonable. There appears to be an exception-if your personal values preclude vaccinations than you are not entitled to the government provided education and must be home-schooled. For many, this would be a win-win. Certainly I would think a libertarian would not want their children in public schools anyway. There should be government reimbursement/subsistence for the cost of the home schooling.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you don't have a problem with a choice between vaccination and home schooling, I take it.
    Actually I do, for the following reasons:

    1. Homeschooling does not eliminate taxation to pay for other people's children to go to Public School.

    2. Single parents would have a hard time complying.

    3. Kids with medical exemptions can still go to school and cause all the problems people are citing to force this on personal exception families.

    4. Enough children typically vaccinate to meet the requirements protecting all school children under "herd immunity," or did you not read the article?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Seems reasonable. There appears to be an exception-if your personal values preclude vaccinations than you are not entitled to the government provided education and must be home-schooled. For many, this would be a win-win. Certainly I would think a libertarian would not want their children in public schools anyway. There should be government reimbursement/subsistence for the cost of the home schooling.
    No subsidy. Subsidizing morons is not a good strategy.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Actually I do, for the following reasons:

    1. Homeschooling does not eliminate taxation to pay for other people's children to go to Public School.

    2. Single parents would have a hard time complying.

    3. Kids with medical exemptions can still go to school and cause all the problems people are citing to force this on personal exception families.

    4. Enough children typically vaccinate to meet the requirements protecting all school children under "herd immunity," or did you not read the article?
    You are ok with a choice between "invade my body" and "****ing prison," but not ok with a choice between "invade my body" and "homeschooling."

    This seems weird from an alleged libertarian. I think you are making up justifications after the fact.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You are ok with a choice between "invade my body" and "****ing prison," but not ok with a choice between "invade my body" and "homeschooling."

    This seems weird from an alleged libertarian. I think you are making up justifications after the fact.
    The difference is that a person in prison has (typically) caused a direct harm for which he is being punished. No one is supposed to be sent to prison when he hasn't done anything wrong, but MIGHT do something wrong.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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