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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And how does forcing vaccines on kids that attend public schools stop measles outbreaks at Disneyland? Does the governor realize that people from all around the globe visit Disneyland?
    Or the beach, or the mall, or even the high school football game. Its so egocentric of us to think that only CA kids attend anything in CA. There is a whole big world out there and Europe is less likely to be vaccinated than the US as they mistrust the pharmaceutical industry more than us.

    Think the U.S Has a Measles Problem? Just Look at Europe - NBC News

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The risks of the vaccinations for measles and chickenpox out weigh the potential good IMO. Not to mention failure to protect rates are not good either. Remember I got the chicken pox even though I was vaccinated with the full prescribed regimen of the time. They are not absolutely necessary unlike polio or whooping cough which are dangerous even with modern medicine. I am playing the odds and the odds now favor me not to vaccinate against those particular diseases in favor of more virulent and potentially deadly diseases such as TB, Whooping Cough, Polio, Hepatitis ect. There are time span verses recovery from the vaccine factors that few realize and that sufficient time for recovery and more importantly preparation for vaccination immunity build up so as to minimize problems with vaccines. Not all vaccines work or are made the same or have the same potency. They are NOT as I said before one size fits all and have to be adjusted accordingly to the individual. There are lots of vaccines and many that combine multiple diseases. A body should be at maximum health before taking a vaccination especially a multiple type vaccination. That said these are medical decisions that should be left to the parents. There is a very good case for NOT vaccinating your child, especially for things like the measles or chicken pox. Vaccines are good, however mandating them by government coercion is not.
    In favor of? Vaccines aren't a zero-sum game.

    Measles damages your immune system for years. How the **** did you get the idea that measles is some innocuous childhood disease?

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

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    In favor of? Vaccines aren't a zero-sum game.

    Measles damages your immune system for years. How the **** did you get the idea that measles is some innocuous childhood disease?
    Vaccines first, are not a game of any kind it is a matter of quality of life and in some cases life and death. Therefor what is required is an objective analysis of probabilities and outcomes and weighing of each. The probability that contracting measles is quite low in this country. Should I decide to go to another country with my children such as South America or elsewhere lesser developed then vaccination for Measles would be in order. There are 21 different strains of Measles a that are currently known. The vaccine give varying degrees of protection from all the variants unlike flu vaccines. Measles are not a life threatening disease in the United States, or for that matter all but the most undeveloped nations in the world. Even then its fatality rate is 30% with a compromised immune system. It is mildly more dangerous than chickenpox.

    Immunization requires a strong immune system. If your immune system is compromised whether or not you have a vaccine is all but a moot point. If you get a major illness your immune system will be compromised, whether you are immunized or not. Its a about probabilities plain and simple. My preference for immunization is to immunize as needed as late as possible on a prepared immune system so as to minimize risks and maximize effectiveness. I don't do one size fits all when it comes to medical decisions. I make them based on the needs and requirements of my children based on my physicians inputs. Vaccines are like any other medical device or medicine, and require due and careful consideration. The Hippocratic Oath states first, "Do no harm."
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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Vaccines first, are not a game of any kind it is a matter of quality of life and in some cases life and death. Therefor what is required is an objective analysis of probabilities and outcomes and weighing of each. The probability that contracting measles is quite low in this country. Should I decide to go to another country with my children such as South America or elsewhere lesser developed then vaccination for Measles would be in order. There are 21 different strains of Measles a that are currently known. The vaccine give varying degrees of protection from all the variants unlike flu vaccines. Measles are not a life threatening disease in the United States, or for that matter all but the most undeveloped nations in the world. Even then its fatality rate is 30% with a compromised immune system. It is mildly more dangerous than chickenpox.

    Immunization requires a strong immune system. If your immune system is compromised whether or not you have a vaccine is all but a moot point. If you get a major illness your immune system will be compromised, whether you are immunized or not. Its a about probabilities plain and simple. My preference for immunization is to immunize as needed as late as possible on a prepared immune system so as to minimize risks and maximize effectiveness. I don't do one size fits all when it comes to medical decisions. I make them based on the needs and requirements of my children based on my physicians inputs. Vaccines are like any other medical device or medicine, and require due and careful consideration. The Hippocratic Oath states first, "Do no harm."
    What data do you use to adjust your personal vaccination schedule?

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What data do you use to adjust your personal vaccination schedule?
    There combination of data points which I collude with my or my children's physician with. Typical factors will include current health, vaccination type, antibody levels if previously vaccinated for a particular disease, and more technical indicators relating to the vaccination and current health state. I don't have a personal vaccination schedule unless I am going overseas to an under developed area.
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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    When I was a kid in primary school, one didn't have to worry about vaccinations. They were delivered to everyone right there in school.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    When I was a kid in primary school, one didn't have to worry about vaccinations. They were delivered to everyone right there in school.
    I remember that as well. I also remember the nurse pulling the majority of the kids out of the line though because most had already had the diseases. Back then by the time one got into school, chances were high that they already had the mumps, measles and chicken pox. I also remember chicken pox parties where moms got together and infected their kids young so they hoped they would get the disease and get it over with before they entered school.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And how does forcing vaccines on kids that attend public schools stop measles outbreaks at Disneyland? Does the governor realize that people from all around the globe visit Disneyland?
    Ummmm......Simple, if all US children are vaccinated, then it makes no difference about people that come from overseas that are infected.
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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    I'm curious, are you against foloride added to the public water supply?
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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    I find it interesting that people insist that vaccines are safe, but there's an actual government website for reporting vaccination injuries.

    Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System

    Number of Reports VAERS Receives
    VAERS receives around 30,000 reports annually, with 13% classified as serious (e.g., associated with disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illness or death) (CDC VAERS Master Search Tool, April 2, 2008). Since 1990, VAERS has received over 200,000 reports, most of which describe mild side effects such as fever. Very rarely, people experience serious adverse events following immunization. By monitoring such events, VAERS helps to identify any important new safety concerns and thereby assists in ensuring that the benefits of vaccines continue to be far greater than the risks.

    Many different types of adverse events occur after vaccination. About 85-90% of the reports describe mild adverse events such as fever, local reactions, and episodes of crying or mild irritability. The remaining reports reflect serious adverse events involving life-threatening conditions, hospitalization, permanent disability, or death, which may or may not have been caused by a vaccine.
    Looks like the vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they're suppose to protect us from.
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