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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    The difference is that a person in prison has (typically) caused a direct harm for which he is being punished. No one is supposed to be sent to prison when he hasn't done anything wrong, but MIGHT do something wrong.
    But that's exactly what you are supporting when you say you are ok with th state ASSUMING guilt.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School
    good. i had to have my vaccinations up to date before i could attend grad school. i guess California got tired of preventable measles epidemics.

    if you want to believe Andrew Wakefield's discredited study, then homeschool your kids.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But that's exactly what you are supporting when you say you are ok with th state ASSUMING guilt.
    Not at all. In the first place DUI does not result in PRISON unless actual harm has occurred during the act of driving while intoxicated.

    Typically a person is arrested under DUI because the actions of the driver have demonstrated possible intoxication. In most jurisdictions he can be required to take a breath test which provides further support for this assumption. For final confirmation, a number of jurisdictions also require a blood test. You can refuse, but that is prima facie evidence of guilt and can be used at trial. You still get a trial you know, right?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    good. i had to have my vaccinations up to date before i could attend grad school. i guess California got tired of preventable measles epidemics.

    if you want to believe Andrew Wakefield's discredited study, then homeschool your kids.
    Did you actually read the post? I specifically stated I do not accept the "autism" rationale.

    BTW, when I was a kid the only vaccine I got was for polio. I got several of the normal childhood diseases. Like 99% of all kids who did, I survived each one will no ill effects, and retain natural immunity to all of them.

    I am not arguing against vaccination. I am stating it should be a choice, not a compulsion, because it opens the door to other compulsory invasions that violate your body rights.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Not at all. In the first place DUI does not result in PRISON unless actual harm has occurred during the act of driving while intoxicated.

    Typically a person is arrested under DUI because the actions of the driver have demonstrated possible intoxication. In most jurisdictions he can be required to take a breath test which provides further support for this assumption. For final confirmation, a number of jurisdictions also require a blood test. You can refuse, but that is prima facie evidence of guilt and can be used at trial. You still get a trial you know, right?
    A trial where guilt has been assumed, so that's not really a trial.

    You don't have to crash to go to jail for DUI.

    Which is harsher, prison or homeschooling?

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Did you actually read the post? I specifically stated I do not accept the "autism" rationale.

    BTW, when I was a kid the only vaccine I got was for polio. I got several of the normal childhood diseases. Like 99% of all kids who did, I survived each one will no ill effects, and retain natural immunity to all of them.

    Do you? Have you tried exposing yourself to those diseases?

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Actually I do, for the following reasons:

    1. Homeschooling does not eliminate taxation to pay for other people's children to go to Public School.

    2. Single parents would have a hard time complying.

    3. Kids with medical exemptions can still go to school and cause all the problems people are citing to force this on personal exception families.

    4. Enough children typically vaccinate to meet the requirements protecting all school children under "herd immunity," or did you not read the article?
    Two problems. Yes, they typically do, but from what I understand in CA there have been pockets of anti-vaxers who have created regions where herd immunity isn't working. And that exposes those who would vaccinate but cannot for health reasons (i.e. the most vulnerable in the population) to diseases they would otherwise avoid.

    The other problem IMO is you're making a defense of freeloading in that the anti-vaxxers are enjoying the herd immunity that others who take the small risk of vaccines provide them and the rest of their community. IMO, those parents electing not to vaccinate are just being typically selfish, self entitled Americans, nothing more. They're riding the backs of 100s of millions who have gotten vaccinated and decided not to do their part. I don't think they're entitled to make that choice AND, if the anti-vaxxers are in great enough numbers, cause a risk of a real health crisis in the public schools.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Did you actually read the post? I specifically stated I do not accept the "autism" rationale.

    BTW, when I was a kid the only vaccine I got was for polio. I got several of the normal childhood diseases. Like 99% of all kids who did, I survived each one will no ill effects, and retain natural immunity to all of them.
    here's the problem with measles :

    Measles May Weaken Immune System for Up to 3 Years, Study Contends: MedlinePlus

    Scientists Crack A 50-Year-Old Mystery About The Measles Vaccine : Goats and Soda : NPR

    not to mention that a greater number of parents relying on herd immunity puts vaccinated kids at risk, too. vaccinate your kids or homeschool them.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A trial where guilt has been assumed, so that's not really a trial.

    You don't have to crash to go to jail for DUI.

    Which is harsher, prison or homeschooling?
    Most people who get arrested and are subsequently charged with a crime may spend some time "in jail" while waiting to appear before a judge.

    You are the one who brought up the issue of prison, not me. If you don't like the answers don't try to derail the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you? Have you tried exposing yourself to those diseases?
    Umm, excuse me? You read the post, what exactly are you asking me here?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: California Law Requires Vaccinations to Attend School.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No subsidy. Subsidizing morons is not a good strategy.
    Well, all infants are morons and we subsidize education for them so they won't be morons in the future. Having an educated populace is a public good, IMHO. And there are ways to ensure an educated public with a variety of subsidized programs, including home schooling.
    A society should have a method of reducing the likelihood of infectious disease outbreaks, or reducing the impact.

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