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50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

Obama does look a lot like my avatar to be sure. Neither one was a strong leader.

Getting rid of ISIS will take not just a strong leader, but one who pays attention to detail and works out what the unintended consequences may be. Take the idea of wiping ISIS out, for example. Like taking out Saddam Hussain, it would leave a power vacuum. Who would fill that vacuum?

Yep. Taking out Hussein was a cake walk, it required taking on his uniformed and visible army sorely inadequate to protect and defend him against the US military. The cost of civilian lives for the US to neutralize the Islamic state in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Tunisia, Egypt and wherever else they are operating will be indefensible, the world won't stand for it. It is my opinion that USFP in the ME that both the Bush and Obama administrations are responsible for, is quite possibly a Jeanie that can't be put back in the bottle, that is going to continue to grow, and is going to be a far FAR greater problem then Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi or Assad would ever have posed to the United States of America. We have really screwed the pooch on this one. And all partisans do (not yourself) is point the finger of blame back and forth when in fact it's shared blame!!!
 
One of the great mysteries in all this will forever be why Iraq was attacked when 9/11 was planned financed and executed by Saudis ?

Sounds like a lot of leftwing blog information. Prove it? Just goes to show how easy some people are indoctrinated. Cannot get over it, can you? Serves what purpose?
 
Obama does look a lot like my avatar to be sure. Neither one was a strong leader.

Getting rid of ISIS will take not just a strong leader, but one who pays attention to detail and works out what the unintended consequences may be. Take the idea of wiping ISIS out, for example. Like taking out Saddam Hussain, it would leave a power vacuum. Who would fill that vacuum?

Not going to happen with people saying they support our troops but not the mission. You have to support both or it is just another PC war
 
Right, can't we all just get along. Do you realize how naïve you are? Radical Islam doesn't want to get along, they want you to convert or die.

You can keep repeating that, though I've never said it. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad had far greater success at containment of Islamic extremism than Bush or Obama have. Your refusal to acknowledge that proves how naive YOU are!
 
Sounds like a lot of leftwing blog information. Prove it? Just goes to show how easy some people are indoctrinated. Cannot get over it, can you? Serves what purpose?

Prove me wrong ?

PS .I'm not left wing
 
Not going to happen with people saying they support our troops but not the mission. You have to support both or it is just another PC war

Which is one good reason why you don't go to war without a formal declaration as outlined in the Constitution.
 
Which is one good reason why you don't go to war without a formal declaration as outlined in the Constitution.

And you can't fight a war if everyone is fed up with fighting.

Alaxander the greats conquest was stopped when his soldiers refused to march any further east.
 
And you can't fight a war if everyone is fed up with fighting.

Alaxander the greats conquest was stopped when his soldiers refused to march any further east.

That's right, and the American voter is sick and tired of fighting.
 
Prove me wrong ?

PS .I'm not left wing

Maybe not but you sure are easy to be indoctrinated and buy what you want to believe.

Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks

We can’t say for sure, in part because a 2002 joint House-Senate report contains a 28-page section on al Qaeda’s “specific sources of foreign support” that remains classified. However, the bipartisan 9/11 Commission — which investigated the leads produced by the earlier congressional report — said in its 2004 report that it “found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization,” referring to al Qaeda.
 
You can keep repeating that, though I've never said it. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad had far greater success at containment of Islamic extremism than Bush or Obama have. Your refusal to acknowledge that proves how naive YOU are!

And yet planes flew into the WTC and Pentagon killing almost 3000 Americans. Radical Islam hates you and this country and nothing other than converting is going to change that
 
And yet planes flew into the WTC and Pentagon killing almost 3000 Americans. Radical Islam hates you and this country and nothing other than converting is going to change that

Wrong. OBL was quite clear in articulating that beginning with our CIA's sabotage of the Iranian government in Iran, and all USFP in the ME since was the reason for attacking the US. You may ignore the very real fact that US policy is creating problems, and hatred of us all you wish, but it remains a fact. Another fact is that Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad all did to Islamic extremists what the US can never, ever do. You are the naive one.
 
Maybe not but you sure are easy to be indoctrinated and buy what you want to believe.

Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks

Are you serious ? Only one of the 20 attackers wasn't actually Saudi and the one they captured has clearly indicated where the money and planning was done. I'm sure they've been holding him long enough to have tortured all he has to say out of him by now

New allegations of Saudi involvement in 9/11 - CNNPolitics.com

If it was all the Talibans fault then where were the Afghani's in their number or do you seriously believe that the rag tag Taliban guerilla fighters financed some Saudi nationals to go attack the US ?

Why ?
 
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Wrong. OBL was quite clear in articulating that beginning with our CIA's sabotage of the Iranian government in Iran, and all USFP in the ME since was the reason for attacking the US. You may ignore the very real fact that US policy is creating problems, and hatred of us all you wish, but it remains a fact. Another fact is that Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad all did to Islamic extremists what the US can never, ever do. You are the naive one.

Got it you have no suggestions for handling ISIS so all you want to do is whine and complain about what happened 12 years ago,. You cannot change that now and always blame our country for all the problems in the world today ignoring that this country freed more people than all the other nations in the world combined and never took a piece of land.
 
Are you serious ? Only one of the 20 attackers wasn't actually Saudi and the one they captured has clearly indicated where the money and planning was done. I'm sure they've been holding him long enough to have tortured all he has to say out of him by now

New allegations of Saudi involvement in 9/11 - CNNPolitics.com

If it was all the Talibans fault then where were the Afghani's in their number or do you seriously believe that the rag tag Taliban guerilla fighters financed some Saudi nationals to go attack the US ?

Why ?

All opinions which you want to believe, why is that? What possible reason would the Saudi Govt. have to fund terrorist attacks in this country? Let's hear the conspiracy theories from a foreign country to continue to show how little respect you have for this country and its leadership.
 
Got it you have no suggestions for handling ISIS so all you want to do is whine and complain about what happened 12 years ago,. You cannot change that now and always blame our country for all the problems in the world today ignoring that this country freed more people than all the other nations in the world combined and never took a piece of land.

Lol. America's very existence is based upon taken land. I was standing in opposition to Bush invading Iraq in real time as we were moving towards it. So I've been consistent, and had I had my way then, there'd be no Islamic State today, and I wouldn't have to solve your stupid dilemma of "what to do about ISIS" see?
 
Lol. America's very existence is based upon taken land. I was standing in opposition to Bush invading Iraq in real time as we were moving towards it. So I've been consistent, and had I had my way then, there'd be no Islamic State today, and I wouldn't have to solve your stupid dilemma of "what to do about ISIS" see?

Well good for you, I am sure you feel you were right as hindsight is always 20-20. How about giving us a scenario where you would authorize force against a foreign foe? You obviously think a lot of your ability to see into the future as you believe there would be no Islamic state today. I can tell you this if we had a peace keeping force in Iraq there wouldn't be an Islamic state there now either. see I can predict about as well as you
 
Well good for you, I am sure you feel you were right as hindsight is always 20-20. How about giving us a scenario where you would authorize force against a foreign foe? You obviously think a lot of your ability to see into the future as you believe there would be no Islamic state today. I can tell you this if we had a peace keeping force in Iraq there wouldn't be an Islamic state there now either. see I can predict about as well as you

Wtf's wrong with you?? It wasn't hind sight. I opposed it in real time because of my superior foresight!
 
It was the same prior to WWII also.

People are simply afraid to act confront a threat, no matter how real it is. They hope that eventually the terrorists will come to their senses, feel common sense will prevail, will legitimize terrorist actions, give them what they want, hope they come to their senses, and eventually there will be peace and harmony. They are fools.

You are correct, but tragically it means more people will be killed until it gets bad enough for people to realize the gravity of the situation.
 
All opinions which you want to believe, why is that? What possible reason would the Saudi Govt. have to fund terrorist attacks in this country? Let's hear the conspiracy theories from a foreign country to continue to show how little respect you have for this country and its leadership.

Tell that to your own congress who have been repeatedly denied access to documentation that directly incriminated the Saudis and not the Taliban. I don't know why I'm bothereing linking this stuff because you clearly have no intention of reading it. Please note this is no opinion

Obama under pressure to release secret pages of 9/11 report 'showing Saudi Arabia financed attacks' - Telegraph

 
Wtf's wrong with you?? It wasn't hind sight. I opposed it in real time because of my superior foresight!

Indeed . As did many of us. I said at the time this would only make things much worse in the region for the sake of short term domestic US political gain. There was never any plan for the aftermath from the get go apart from a vague 'hope for the best' it seems :roll:
 
Tell that to your own congress who have been repeatedly denied access to documentation that directly incriminated the Saudis and not the Taliban. I don't know why I'm bothereing linking this stuff because you clearly have no intention of reading it. Please note this is no opinion

Obama under pressure to release secret pages of 9/11 report 'showing Saudi Arabia financed attacks' - Telegraph


So again you believe what you want to believe and ignore actual reality. Read the Butler Report which was generated by your govt. You simply have a bad case of Bush Derangement syndrome. Seek help
 
So again you believe what you want to believe and ignore actual reality. Read the Butler Report which was generated by your govt. You simply have a bad case of Bush Derangement syndrome. Seek help

I believe what can be proven nothing more

Why are you in denial ? Do you realise that 92% of Saudi's polled last year agree with ISIS aims ? They have both the money the people and motivation to have attacked you. I'm not really very interested in Whitewashes after the fact. Even dimwit Bush realised that attacking the Saudi's would be impossible given it would trigger an uprising by the whole Islamic world against it (hint Mecca is in Saudi Arabia) . The administration would also have been wary of triggering an energy crisis like happened post 1973 Yom Kippur only this time far worse. Iraq was therefore perfect patsy
 
Why are you in denial ? Do you realise that 92% of Saudi's polled last year agree with ISIS aims ? They have both the money the people and motivation to have attacked you. I'm not really very interested in Whitewashes after the fact. Even dimwit Bush realised that attacking the Saudi's would be impossible given it would trigger an uprising by the whole Islamic world against it (hint Mecca is in Saudi Arabia) . The administration would also have been wary of triggering an energy crisis like happened post 1973 Yom Kippur only this time far worse. Iraq was the perfect patsy

that is your narrative and opinion. Ever been or worked in Saudi? There is no reason for Saudi to fund 9/11. The reality is Bin Laden was Saudi but the Butler Report disagrees with your opinion. Further why are you continuing this narrative because there is nothing anyone can do now about what happened yesterday let along 14 years ago. Go ahead continue to bury your head in the sand, Hitler wasn't a threat to you either.
 
that is your narrative and opinion. Ever been or worked in Saudi?

No thats a fact and yes I worked in the capital Riyadh back in the 80s for 14 months

There is no reason for Saudi to fund 9/11. The reality is Bin Laden was Saudi but the Butler Report disagrees with your opinion.

The Butler report was denied access to materials pertaining to Saudi involvement which you would know if you had bothered reading what has already been linked for you

Further why are you continuing this narrative because there is nothing anyone can do now about what happened yesterday let along 14 years ago.

Because those like yourself who choose not to learn by past mistakes are condemned to repeat them. That seems to be what you would have us do

Go ahead continue to bury your head in the sand, Hitler wasn't a threat to you either.

Hitler has nothing to do with this. Ham fisted and profoundly stupid US foreign policy does
 
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