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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

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    Well then was Lincoln right in fighting the civil war? Suggest you read the December PDB you would have understood what would have prevented the invasion of Iraq
    I'm just laughing. Carry on.

    BTW. It is Canada Day here. There are parties and speeches and one of them is decidedly anti-american, calls you all war mongers.

    Invade this instant there might be a terrorist in there ready to destroy "the greatest nation on earth"

    Too funny. I'm going now, to celebrate freedom, and the fact that the only nation that ever attacked Canad was the US, and we drove you out both times.
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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

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    Actually as has been shown you don't have a lot of credibility when it comes to predictions?

    Did the stimulus keep unemployment below 8% as predicted?

    Is it fact or fiction that Obama inherited 142 million employed Americans that two years later well after the stimulus was 139 million?

    Is it fact or fiction that the Democrat controlled Senate with total control of the oversight committee voted 76-23 to authorize the war?

    is it fact or opinion that Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act?

    Is it fact or fiction that Iraq had no territory under ISIS control when Bush left office?

    Now give me your versions of the facts?
    You are clearly attempting to grasp at straws Con. You are correct about 1 thing and that is that the spineless Democrats were so afraid of their own shadows and being portrayed by Bush (You are either with us or against us) as being weak that they handed him and Cheney Carte Blanche to do whatever they wanted in Iraq. They share the responsibility for the stupidity of the entire Iraq fiasco. But make no doubt about it....it was GWB/Cheney and Rumsfield who concocoted the dumbass idea and manipulated the public fears to "justify" their actions.

    When Bush left office, Iraq was a destabalized mess. As with everything else, he left it for the next guy to clean up (remember...this was YEARs after he attempted to claim that the mission was accomplished). Also...remember how they said we'd be in and out in a year? Shows how little homework they did before going in.

    The reality that you try to run away and hide from is that ISIS wouldn't exist today if Bush hadn't gone in and destabalized and already volatile region with no plan in place to deal with the chaos that they created. If you believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield actually had a viable plan....I'd love to hear what you tought it was. However, as usual with you, I suspect that we will hear nothing other than crickets because you don't know what you are talking about and just want to accept your conclusion that everything your hero did created a world utopia especially for America.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Oh gawd not WW2 again .... that didn't take long. I'll remember to thank the Russians first because they had it won long before Normandy



    BS . This was Bush's war and he had decided on this course of action within days of 9/11. The fact that it got rubber stamped by others later doesn't make that any less true or any less wrong


    More, we need more melodrama. How is it the call to war never mentions the quest for freedom in Vietnam and the half million Americans who kept America safe.
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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    More, we need more melodrama. How is it the call to war never mentions the quest for freedom in Vietnam and the half million Americans who kept America safe.
    And the 2.5 million Vietnamese who paid the ultimate price helping massage America's bruised ego after the Bay Of Pigs fiasco

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are clearly attempting to grasp at straws Con. You are correct about 1 thing and that is that the spineless Democrats were so afraid of their own shadows and being portrayed by Bush (You are either with us or against us) as being weak that they handed him and Cheney Carte Blanche to do whatever they wanted in Iraq. They share the responsibility for the stupidity of the entire Iraq fiasco. But make no doubt about it....it was GWB/Cheney and Rumsfield who concocoted the dumbass idea and manipulated the public fears to "justify" their actions.
    Why not supply the entire quote of 'with us or against us'? If you do not understand the context then you'll jump to false conclusion. No one was 'manipulated.

    When Bush left office, Iraq was a destabalized mess. As with everything else, he left it for the next guy to clean up (remember...this was YEARs after he attempted to claim that the mission was accomplished). Also...remember how they said we'd be in and out in a year? Shows how little homework they did before going in.
    This is also so false that one has to question your sources. Who is feeding this crap? Or are you just making it up in order to express your feelings rather than facts? FLASHBACK

    The reality that you try to run away and hide from is that ISIS wouldn't exist today if Bush hadn't gone in and destabalized and already volatile region with no plan in place to deal with the chaos that they created. If you believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield actually had a viable plan....I'd love to hear what you tought it was. However, as usual with you, I suspect that we will hear nothing other than crickets because you don't know what you are talking about and just want to accept your conclusion that everything your hero did created a world utopia especially for America.
    You are an embarrassment to the education system in your country.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Oh gawd not WW2 again .... that didn't take long. I'll remember to thank the Russians first because they had it won long before Normandy



    BS . This was Bush's war and he had decided on this course of action within days of 9/11. The fact that it got rubber stamped by others later doesn't make that any less true or any less wrong
    Really? 9/11/01 compared to when we went into Iraq? What date was that again? Seems that you want badly to focus on what Bush did and not what Congress authorized and what Obama is doing about it now. Love foreigners like you who are so arrogant that they don't truly understand who saved their asses.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are clearly attempting to grasp at straws Con. You are correct about 1 thing and that is that the spineless Democrats were so afraid of their own shadows and being portrayed by Bush (You are either with us or against us) as being weak that they handed him and Cheney Carte Blanche to do whatever they wanted in Iraq. They share the responsibility for the stupidity of the entire Iraq fiasco. But make no doubt about it....it was GWB/Cheney and Rumsfield who concocoted the dumbass idea and manipulated the public fears to "justify" their actions.

    When Bush left office, Iraq was a destabalized mess. As with everything else, he left it for the next guy to clean up (remember...this was YEARs after he attempted to claim that the mission was accomplished). Also...remember how they said we'd be in and out in a year? Shows how little homework they did before going in.

    The reality that you try to run away and hide from is that ISIS wouldn't exist today if Bush hadn't gone in and destabalized and already volatile region with no plan in place to deal with the chaos that they created. If you believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield actually had a viable plan....I'd love to hear what you tought it was. However, as usual with you, I suspect that we will hear nothing other than crickets because you don't know what you are talking about and just want to accept your conclusion that everything your hero did created a world utopia especially for America.
    Well, well, well, more opinions on your part not answering the direct questions and trying to divert more from reality. "Your" President called Iraq Stable so was he wrong? Isn't that what he said about us leaving Iraq?

    FLASHBACK—Obama:
    ‘We’re Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq’

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Well, well, well, more opinions on your part not answering the direct questions and trying to divert more from reality. "Your" President called Iraq Stable so was he wrong? Isn't that what he said about us leaving Iraq?

    FLASHBACK—Obama:
    Yes....our President was wrong as well. Anyone who believes that Iraq is currently or has been "stable" in the last couple of decades is a fool or is just politically grandstanding. Obama is guilty of that as well.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes....our President was wrong as well. Anyone who believes that Iraq is currently or has been "stable" in the last couple of decades is a fool or is just politically grandstanding. Obama is guilty of that as well.
    Why would "your" president say such a thing almost 3 years after Bush left office? When were you in Iraq? Appreciate your "expert" opinion but don't see a lot of support for it. Tell me what part of Iraq ISIS controlled when Bush left office and when U.S. troops were on the ground?

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes....our President was wrong as well. Anyone who believes that Iraq is currently or has been "stable" in the last couple of decades is a fool or is just politically grandstanding. Obama is guilty of that as well.
    You seem to have facts and beliefs exclusive to yourself.

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