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50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

How about Darfur for another area. But the resident Genocidal Leader in Chief is now cooperating with the US on terror information- intelligence. So the pressure from the US has lightened.
FFn sad eh.

No question about it, death and mayhem have ceased, women, children aren't being beheaded in all of Iraq is under Iraqi control. Thank you Obama
 
Blaming Bush or Obama at this point may make you feel good but it serves no purpose. You cannot change the past only the future.

This is true.


One would hope that the military powers in the region would be so outraged by these atrocities, that they would be taking on ISIS at every turn.
This doesn't seem to be the case at this point.
So, I think our air support and advisors are enough.
If the people in the region don't care enough to fight these evildoers, why should we?
 
Let them sort it out themselves. Provide support to the Kurds.
Stay out of Syria.
Let Turkey and the Saudi's deal with Syria.

Yep, great strategy, letting them kill each other and take over areas in the region will definitely not affect this country at all. There is no way for them to get here and of course there are no home grown terrorists here either. Yep, that liberal ideology cost almost 3000 Americans their lives on 9/11
 
This is true.



One would hope that the military powers in the region would be so outraged by these atrocities, that they would be taking on ISIS at every turn.
This doesn't seem to be the case at this point.
So, I think our air support and advisors are enough.
If the people in the region don't care enough to fight these evildoers, why should we?

That was the attitude that led to 9/11, ignoring the problem won't make it go away
 
No question about it, death and mayhem have ceased, women, children aren't being beheaded in all of Iraq is under Iraqi control. Thank you Obama
Stay, train the Army, leave and they run away.
Yeah, lets do that again and throw in Billions more.
Add in Bush- Iraq is now run by Iran.
What a dumb ffn move to invade.
Same with AStan - The Govt is now arming local militias. Back to warlords time again.
 
Yep, great strategy, letting them kill each other and take over areas in the region will definitely not affect this country at all. There is no way for them to get here and of course there are no home grown terrorists here either. Yep, that liberal ideology cost almost 3000 Americans their lives on 9/11

Liberal ideology- AQ was attacking the US in Africa to the ME.
But you thought an ocean would protect you?
You preach fear and have soldiers all over the world, for what?
It is a multi generational war.
My Grandchildren will see this war is ongoing when they are middle aged.
 
That was the attitude that led to 9/11, ignoring the problem won't make it go away

We're not ignoring the problem.
We're doing what we're good at.
The notion that only US troops are capable of being "boots on the ground" in the ME is incorrect.
If the good citizens in the ME allow ISIS to slaughter their children at will, then they're not worth one drop of US blood.
 
Liberal ideology- AQ was attacking the US in Africa to the ME.
But you thought an ocean would protect you?
You preach fear and have soldiers all over the world, for what?
It is a multi generational war.
My Grandchildren will see this war is ongoing when they are middle aged.

Yes, and the reaction of this country to those attacks led to 9/11. The Presidential Daily Briefing of December 1998 laid it out and basically was ignored so history is repeating itself.
 
We're not ignoring the problem.
We're doing what we're good at.
The notion that only US troops are capable of being "boots on the ground" in the ME is incorrect.
If the good citizens in the ME allow ISIS to slaughter their children at will, then they're not worth one drop of US blood.

great, that will never happen in this country just like fanatics would never fly planes into the WTC
 
Yes, the threat is real and should not be ignored. But the threat isn't military might, it's extreme religious fundamentalist ideology and no army can stop ideas or beliefs, but instead does the opposite and tends to re-enforce and even expand their ideology. And in the case of ISIS, this has never been more true. They want US forces to come fight them in their land because that will prove in their minds and all that the gullible masses that follow them that their ideological beliefs are right. And I don't think we really want that, do you?
ISIS has told you, and others, that they want to trick the democracies into invading and killing them so they can prove a religious point?

Maybe we should just fall into their psychological trap and fill the desert with Islamist body parts.
 
Yeah it does matter.
We clearly have opposing views on a number of issues, but I do enjoy discussion. Never know what you may learn.

A clear example where we differ would be Bush going into Iraq. A massive strategic mistake.
In fact it was a Coalition who went into Iraq and which were led by the US. It was never a one man decision.
 
That was the attitude that led to 9/11, ignoring the problem won't make it go away
It was the same prior to WWII also.

People are simply afraid to act confront a threat, no matter how real it is. They hope that eventually the terrorists will come to their senses, feel common sense will prevail, will legitimize terrorist actions, give them what they want, hope they come to their senses, and eventually there will be peace and harmony. They are fools.
 
ISIS has told you, and others, that they want to trick the democracies into invading and killing them so they can prove a religious point?

It is prophesied in the Quran that an army from the west will come and fight the caliphate at a certain mountain in Syria and they think that army is the US. So if the US sends troops into Syria and they fight ISIS near that mountain, then it will serve to prove ISIS and the Quran right and then millions more devout Muslims will run to their cause...and any Muslim who doesn't believe in the prophecy will be beheaded along with all the others that ISIS deems to be non believers.
 
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In fact it was a Coalition who went into Iraq and which were led by the US. It was never a one man decision.
I doubt the UN or any ally or country can be fooled, bullied or bribed into fighting another unwinnable war in the ME again. Besides, the US can't afford another invasion. We have a debt problem, remember?
 
It is prophesied in the Quran that an army from the west will come and fight them at a certain mountain in Syria and they think that army is the US. So if the US sends troops into Syria and they fight ISIS near that mountain, then it will serve to prove ISIS and the Quran right and then millions more devout Muslims will run to their cause...because they can see that the prophesies are coming true and any Muslim who doesn't will be beheaded along with all the others that ISIS deems to be non believers.

Well the Koran is nonsense and only taken seriously by those who were brainwashed into it as soon as they could recognize human sounds. I don't believe the West should allow their foreign policy to be decided by backward desert dwellers from the seventh century.
 
I doubt the UN or any ally or country can be fooled, bullied or bribed into fighting another unwinnable war in the ME again. Besides, the US can't afford another invasion. We have a debt problem, remember?
A war in the ME is 'unwinnable'? Why would you say that?
 
Well the Koran is nonsense and only taken seriously by those who were brainwashed into it as soon as they could recognize human sounds. I don't believe the West should allow their foreign policy to be decided by backward desert dwellers from the seventh century.

Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread. I for one have had enough of GOP foolish foreign policies.
 
A war in the ME is 'unwinnable'? Why would you say that?

Because I don't think military might can stop ISIS's radical religious beliefs which is the motivation for their fighting.
 
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In fact it was a Coalition who went into Iraq and which were led by the US. It was never a one man decision.

There would have been no war had Bush not wished there to be one, so yes it was a one man decision
 
There would have been no war had Bush not wished there to be one, so yes it was a one man decision

The world including your country said Saddam Hussein had WMD and Congress authorized it. You really are very naïve about the American Constitution. History also isn't your friend.
 
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Yes it is.

Hussein had no WMD and was no threat they knew it well before 9/11 and publicly said so too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN_-HTjy-_w

The Butler Report disagrees with you and other opinions but the reality now is this is history and you can continue to beat this dead horse until hell freezes over and nothing is going to change history. The question today is what does the world do about ISIS. Maybe we ought to wait until they take over your area and then free you again. Maybe this time we will get a little gratitude from you. Wonder how a female family member will look in a Burka
 
It is prophesied in the Quran that an army from the west will come and fight the caliphate at a certain mountain in Syria and they think that army is the US. So if the US sends troops into Syria and they fight ISIS near that mountain, then it will serve to prove ISIS and the Quran right and then millions more devout Muslims will run to their cause...and any Muslim who doesn't believe in the prophecy will be beheaded along with all the others that ISIS deems to be non believers.

Which is, of course, why ISIS is trying to draw the US into the battle.

I'm not sure what the solution to ISIS is, or if there even is one. One thing for sure: If we do send troops into that area, we need to do it all the way, no holds barred, wipe ISIS and the other cockroaches from the face of the Earth, then go home. Anything else just plays into their hands.

We may think the Koran is nonsense, but they actually believe in the prophecies and are bent on seeing them fulfilled.
 
The Butler Report disagrees with you and other opinions but the reality now is this is history and you can continue to beat this dead horse until hell freezes over and nothing is going to change history. The question today is what does the world do about ISIS. Maybe we ought to wait until they take over your area and then free you again. Maybe this time we will get a little gratitude from you. Wonder how a female family member will look in a Burka

Did you even watch that video ?
 
Which is, of course, why ISIS is trying to draw the US into the battle.

I'm not sure what the solution to ISIS is, or if there even is one. One thing for sure: If we do send troops into that area, we need to do it all the way, no holds barred, wipe ISIS and the other cockroaches from the face of the Earth, then go home. Anything else just plays into their hands.

We may think the Koran is nonsense, but they actually believe in the prophecies and are bent on seeing them fulfilled.

Doing nothing or complete termination with extreme predjudice might be the only options left ultimately and niether is a very attractive one. Thats GWBs legacy for future generations sadly. The human cost could run into tens of millions in the coming century.
 
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