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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Do you see a connection between the attack of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq?
    Indeed. Would there even be an ISIS were Hussein still in charge ? Why were we killing Iraqis when 9/11 was planned executed and paid for by Saudi's ? Go figure

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Thanks for telling me the date. Now what's George W Bush's record on prominent terrorists' capture or kills?
    Last time I checked all of Iraq was under Iraqi control when Bush left office and ISIS was out of the country. Last I checked ISIS wasn't attacking Kabul when Bush was in office either.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Last time I checked all of Iraq was under Iraqi control when Bush left office and ISIS was out of the country. Last I checked ISIS wasn't attacking Kabul when Bush was in office either.
    This entire scenario is Bush's legacy to history. It needn't have been like this had he not used Iraq as the patsy for 9/11

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    This entire scenario is Bush's legacy to history. It needn't have been like this had he not used Iraq as the patsy for 9/11
    Again, tell me why the Democrat Controlled Senate and Oversight Committee with the same intelligence as Bush authorized the war? You can start by reading the Iraq Liberation Act signed by Clinton in 1998

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, and I would have stayed out of Iraq to begin with.

    But, the past is not mutable. The situation is what it is. So, what should be done about ISIS having attacked Egypt now?
    I know this would be a radical action, but maybe he should make it a priority...something he is wiling to openly discuss and loudly proclaim as a threat. Maybe he should work with whatever world leaders he hasnt managed to alienate and that might still trust US in spite of him and develop a global coalition againts ISIS. Hell...even Al Qaida came out yesterday and said ISIS is disqualified from 'paradise'.

    To Obama's credit...he is engaging where most of the world is not. He is using drones, sending in troops and advisers. The PROBLEM with that though, is we have seen that failed strategy in a place called Vietnam. We have seen what happens when you send in handfuls of support and people.

    ISIS is bold. They are bold because they have a current realistic expectation that they can do whatever the **** they want. If things are going to change, they are going to have to be disabused of that notion in a major way.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, tell me why the Democrat Controlled Senate and Oversight Committee with the same intelligence as Bush authorized the war? You can start by reading the Iraq Liberation Act signed by Clinton in 1998
    I couldn't care less about your US centric party political bickering I'm not American. Post 9/11 it was Bush that made the decision to go to war with the wrong country so blaming the consequences of such stupidity on successive administrations is being disingenuous to say the least

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, I served during the Vietnam war...
    Thank you too.

    You fight wars to win them and that isn't what we did in Iraq.
    I agree with that completely.

    I don't think there was ever a point at which we fought the war in Iraq (or the war in Afghanistan) "to win it".

    I don't think we fought in such a manner under President Bush, I don't think we fought in such a manner under president Obama.

    I think the "surge" was a stop gap that kind of prevented things from sliding completely over the edge, but I can't think of any point where we were even close to saying, "yeah, we can chalk this one up as a victory and put it to bed."

    I don't think the desired end state of the war in Iraq was ever defined in such a way that winning was even a possibility.

    Well, that's not entirely true.

    There was some vague notion early on that the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms and transition peacefully into Jeffersonian democracy and submit to our authority as some kind of vassal state if only we would depose Saddam Hussein.

    By July or August of 2003 it was clear that whoever came up with that idea was a retard but at that point we just sort of shifted to fighting the insurgency by pretending they were terrorists and nobody came up with any revised idea of what victory might look like.

    Things eventually got better from the perspective of the unmitigated violence lessening, and that was good, but we never arrived at a point politically where both we and the Iraqis knew what we wanted to achieve and were either working toward that goal or even working on a plan that would start us out toward that goal.

    In the end we were just throwing good money, and lives, after bad and stringing things along to the degree that only Halliburton and Lockheed Martin were coming out ahead.

    So yeah, at that point it's time to cut and run.

    And now you want to wade back in to that same political cesspool because of ISIS?

    Sorry brother, no thank you.
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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's where the latest attack took place.

    But, you're right. That's not where ISIS is based. Moreover, Egypt has a military of its own. Let's let them deal with the attack.

    As for the rest of my post, to wit:



    Should the US go play world cop eradicating evil all around the world?

    Would we be successful if we tried?

    No not all around the world.....but this evil, does need to be eradicated.

    Moreover.....Daesh is everyones problem. Not just ours, although.....they did put the bullseye on us, didn't they?

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    In Fundamentalist Right Wing Conservative land, the US is supposed to be at war with the entire Middle East (and northern Africa, Afghanistan and Pakistan if that's what it takes).

    Oh, and America needs to lower its spending.


    Oh, and did you get this from inside of one of their secret meetings. Cmon now.....fess up, who snuck you in. I'll bet it was Bush Jr, huh?

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Bush jr. was known to have said that he would finish the Iraq job his daddy didn't do. This was even before he was nominated president. He said he would use his political capital. He loved that word. If the justice system can use jail house snitches to bring the bad guys to trial and prosecution, then we should go after bush the same way for ? Premeditated murder, maybe treason also. Or at least pull out of middle east altogether. It's always been the military being involved in what was ultimately oil company profits anyway. Hundreds of thousands dead and trillions spent for nothing but profit for oil companies, halliburton, etc. One link below.


    Two Years Before 9/11, Candidate Bush was Already Talking Privately About Attacking Iraq, According to His Former Ghost Writer | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

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