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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'm pretty sure Nixon claimed the same for South Vietnam too
    No doubt.
    Turned out his "secret plan" to end the Vietnam wa... I mean police action was to declare victory and leave. Look how well that turned out!
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Bush era conservatives blame Obama for not doubling down on the multi-trillion-dollar cluster**** they created in the Middle East. That's the bottom line. Obama is not a neocon, and he was elected to change course rather than continue the Project For a New American Century.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Bush era conservatives blame Obama for not doubling down on the multi-trillion-dollar cluster**** they created in the Middle East. That's the bottom line. Obama is not a neocon, and he was elected to change course rather than continue the Project For a New American Century.
    But he didn't change that course and his MEFP has been as belligerent as his predecessors. But then Obama informed us in 2008 that he would attack Al Qaeda in Pakistan with or without the Pakistani governments position. For all with an ear to hear, there was going to be no change in the Bush/PNAC doctrine, and the destabilization of the ME would continue!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But he didn't change that course and his MEFP has been as belligerent as his predecessors. But then Obama informed us in 2008 that he would attack Al Qaeda in Pakistan with or without the Pakistani governments position. For all with an ear to hear, there was going to be no change in the Bush/PNAC doctrine, and the destabilization of the ME would continue!!
    The Neocons/PNAC wanted to transform the Middle East by toppling/destabilizing regimes. The Obama Admin is aggressive with terrorist targets. You could argue that the policies overlap in certain areas, but there is a massive difference in their end goals.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Iraq was Obama's inheritance?
    Yes, he inherited it from George Bush, remember?

    At that time he said Iraq was "Sovereign, stable and self reliant" FLASHBACK

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    One would think that a "stable and sovereign" nation could have stood on its own without having the US military keeping it stable.
    Then perhaps Obama was lying again? Or was it only stable while the military was there to keep it stable, just as all the advisers insisted.

    The fact is that it was stable only while troops are there, much like in other areas of the world, though they often call them \Peace Keeping Forces"

    We knew the Islamists wanted Iraq because they were the ones firing on the Coalition troops at the time and murdering Muslims in suicide missions, etc. Obama created this mess and id 100% accountable for it.

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The Neocons/PNAC wanted to transform the Middle East by toppling/destabilizing regimes. The Obama Admin is aggressive with terrorist targets. You could argue that the policies overlap in certain areas, but there is a massive difference in their end goals.
    "Neo-cons" destabilized Egypt? Libya? Iraq? Syria?

    How so???

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    . Obama created this mess and id 100% accountable for it.
    What a load of US centric party political claptrap. Get real. This entire scenario was of his predecessors making. Hussein was at least the devil we knew

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Neo-cons" destabilized Egypt? Libya? Iraq? Syria?

    How so???

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    Re: 50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    There are far larger guerilla armies fighting in other parts of the world that are largely ignored by the Western media
    Large does not mean the same as dangerous nor brutal nor efficient. As well, they are ignored by Western media when they pose little to no threat to Western interests or the US itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The only way these guys are of any significance is in the way they use western victims to further their ends via our media. They have been singularly successful in this regard and now have many believing they are ten feet tall, bent on world domination .... yadda yadda. They are basically a small group of religious fanatics that will go the way of many other such groups in the fullness of time, taken down by their own infighting.
    Apparently they are too well entrenched and capable so far. Granted they haven't been really tested yet and they probably won't be if the current administration has anything to say about it. They continue to attract followers, they continue to use social media to broadcast their message and sickening brutality - so whether they are a paper tiger or not, in the short term they win and they will continue to win and gain until something stops them. You want to underestimate them - that's classic bad strategy going back nearly 3,000 years to 500 BC and Sun Tzu's time.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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