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    Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    The Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed to hear a challenge to the way public-sector unions finance their operations. Union officials said a ruling against them would deal a blow to organized labor.
    The case, Friedrichs v. California Teachers Association, No. 14-915, teachers in California who chose not to join the union and who said being compelled to pay union fees they did not agree with violated their First Amendment rights.

    Limiting the power of public unions has been a long sought goal of conservative groups, and they welcomed Tuesday’s development.
    “The question of whether teachers and other government employees can be required to subsidize the speech of a union they do not support as a condition of working for their own government is now squarely before the court,” Mark Mix, president of the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, said in a statement.
    The challengers say that some collective bargaining with a government employer amounts to lobbying and that forcing them to pay for those activities violates their First Amendment rights.


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    Big case will be heard by the Supreme Court regarding union dues in non-right to work states. Whenever right to work vs non-right to work cases get brought up all I can think of is one cartoon, which I think hits the nail right on the head.


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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    If someone does not wish to be a member of the union then really there isn't a valid rational to make them pay the union dues. I'm sorry you can't get everyone to fall in love with your group, but that doesn't mean you can force them to pay for it.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If someone does not wish to be a member of the union then really there isn't a valid rational to make them pay the union dues. I'm sorry you can't get everyone to fall in love with your group, but that doesn't mean you can force them to pay for it.
    Actually, there is. The union doesn't just represent the dues paying members. It has to represent all of the employees.
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If someone does not wish to be a member of the union then really there isn't a valid rational to make them pay the union dues.
    But you see if they are a public teacher then they still get all the benefits, and are still covered by the contract....

    I'm sorry you can't get everyone to fall in love with your group, but that doesn't mean you can force them to pay for it.
    What about the "free market"? Dont want to pay dues, go find another job, perhaps a private sector teaching job?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    This is going to be a tough one. Basically this challenge is looking to overturn the old 1977 Abood v Detroit Board of Education decision. But I will say that old decision left the door open to this challenge here today with "There will, of course, be difficult problems in drawing lines between collective-bargaining activities, for which contributions may be compelled, and ideological activities unrelated to collective bargaining, for which such compulsion is prohibited." (Part C, 32 of the court opinion.) Assuming this case is about 1st Amendment protections as related to "ideological activities unrelated to collective bargaining" then the case may have merit.
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Actually, there is. The union doesn't just represent the dues paying members. It has to represent all of the employees.
    If I don't wish to be a member of your union there is no reason you should represent me.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    But you see if they are a public teacher then they still get all the benefits, and are still covered by the contract....
    So what?

    What about the "free market"? Dont want to pay dues, go find another job, perhaps a private sector teaching job?
    What about the free market? Being forced into a contract with a group of people against your will is something even free market supporters have no problem being against.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what?
    Hence: freeloader.



    What about the free market? Being forced into a contract with a group of people against your will is something even free market supporters have no problem being against.
    But were they forced into that job?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hence: freeloader.
    Hey, remember how your side says that people made a choice to start a business when talking about anti-discrimination laws? Well, you made a choice to start a union and you made a choice to represent everyone.

    But were they forced into that job?
    Last time I'm checked people are hired on by employers, not fellow workers.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Actually, there is. The union doesn't just represent the dues paying members. It has to represent all of the employees.
    If a person does not want to be a member of a union, then it is not their problem what the union spends it's money doing. Which is what the case is about in the first place. Unions use their money for more than just negotiating for pay and benefits for employees - they donate money to politicians and other causes that not everyone agrees with (a First Amendment issue).

    How would you like it if you were forced to give money to a group that may benefit you in some way, yet also gives huge amounts of their dues to Republican politicians and right wing causes?

    This is the United States of America, not some socialist or communist country where the workers are forced to comply... or else.
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