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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - its the invocation of LIBERTY as lipstick on the pig that those on the right pretend is their condom to protect their extremist views.
    That's just a rant.
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    That's just a rant.
    To the extremist, I guess that is just another name for truth that they find uncomfortable.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - its the invocation of LIBERTY as lipstick on the pig that those on the right pretend is their condom to protect their extremist views.
    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
    Abraham Lincoln


    Which was a blatant lie when it was stated. Of course, that is based on an examination of reality and not the hype. Something that the right wing has never been able to tell apart.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which was a blatant lie when it was stated. Of course, that is based on an examination of reality and not the hype. Something that the right wing has never been able to tell apart.
    I think I'll stick with Lincoln, thanks.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

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    I think I'll stick with Lincoln, thanks.
    You stick with the lie.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Sounds like a pretty easy win for the unions. The four liberals will side with so will at least Roberts. Roberts will say if you don't like the situation, take it up with your state legislature.
    I disagree. For all the hand wringing that conservatives have had over the "liberal" decisions of recent, I fully expect the conservative majority SCOTUS to rule against unions.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So thats how union shops start? A group of buddies just get together, and say hey there should be no freeloaders here? And walah like magic they get that?
    How often to do you thinks unions are able to get everyone to join the union?


    Having the right to unionize does not equate to having a union shop....
    Sorry, but it pretty much does. As an employer I can't stop you have unionizing, and when you do, I must negotiate with you and provide you certain things.



    You know damn well there is just more than that. Benefits is a major one you also agree to.
    Yes, it could be, but benefits aren't a necessary component of it.

    Yes they are, especially in the union... You know, the whole democratic process, the bringing forward of grievances, the VOTE...
    So unions decide who is going to be hired? News to me.

    Uhhhhh youre telling me when people agree to work for someone they dont agree to additional agreements beyond "you're hired" and here is your salary? Vacation time? Paid time off? Benefits? Drug tests? Background checks? Pensions/401k's? Sick leave? The list can go on and on...
    Those are not necessary parts of the agreement.


    There is a leap... Union shop compared to racism reinforced by laws.
    That's not what I said.

    Uhhh, are you saying that school boards dont have the right by law to negotiated with a teachers union?
    No, I'm saying that the employer must talk to unions.

    Nope. Nor do I see how this has anything to do with this current debate other than it has to deal with unions. What does the gov seizure of Montgomery Ward have anything to do with this case?
    It has to do with the possible consequences for not negotiating with the union. Government doesn't just allow businesses to stop their places of employment from being a union shop.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    But you see if they are a public teacher then they still get all the benefits, and are still covered by the contract....


    What about the "free market"? Dont want to pay dues, go find another job, perhaps a private sector teaching job?
    that isn't the issue.

    She is not just paying for union dues and contracting. Her complaint is that unions are spending her dues on political campaigns that do not reflect her
    views as a person.

    she cites that as a violation of her first amendment rights. I would have to somewhat agree.
    while I think if you want to join a union then you should have to pay for the neogiation of contracts fair game.

    however at the same time the union politics should be a separate fund in which if member choose they can pay into.
    the people that just pay for the contracting part would of course pay a lower rate than people who choose to donate
    to political campaigns.

    in the last election the largest teachers union spent 22m dollars in super packs.

    with all their complaining about teacher pay I am sure that 22m dollars would have been spent better helping the people
    they represent instead of giving it to some political campaign.

    the fact that unions are misusing due money to push political agenda's vs helping the people they are supposed to represent is more telling
    of why her case is valid.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To the extremist, I guess that is just another name for truth that they find uncomfortable.
    yes extremists often confuse their opinions for the truth.

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