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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then it would seem I have a fundamental problem with unionization. I don't approve of forced association and if your idea of protecting your rights involves forcing people into your group we have a fundamental disagreement that I see no way we can resolve.
    It's called freedom of association, which also includes the freedom to NOT associate.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    If unions provide so much benefit then why don't they function as PEO's?

    Wouldn't it be more beneficial for all concerned if the employees were employees of the union rather than of the employer? That way the union could have total control over wages, benefits, safety and dues.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

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    The backwards mind of statists is simply stunning.
    So you are some sort of radical anarchist who does not believe in the state?

    Do us all a favor and can that sort of hyperbole in the crapper where it belongs.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is no such thing as "collective rights."
    I guess in the belief system in your mind there clearly is not. And that permits you to take the inane positions you have taken here.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why should someone be forced to be part of your group when they take a job? Because you and your buddies started a group? Does starting a group with some buddies mean you have a right to force people be part of it? If so, I was unaware of that.
    So thats how union shops start? A group of buddies just get together, and say hey there should be no freeloaders here? And walah like magic they get that?



    So you think that is how this works, do you? Do you know what would happen to me if I didn't allow my workers to unionize?
    Having the right to unionize does not equate to having a union shop....



    Again, agreeing to work for an employer for a salary is just that, agreeing to work for an employer for a salary.
    You know damn well there is just more than that. Benefits is a major one you also agree to.

    The workers are not involved in the transaction at any point in time, sorry.
    Yes they are, especially in the union... You know, the whole democratic process, the bringing forward of grievances, the VOTE...
    So because something is done often it's t now?
    Uhhhhh youre telling me when people agree to work for someone they dont agree to additional agreements beyond "you're hired" and here is your salary? Vacation time? Paid time off? Benefits? Drug tests? Background checks? Pensions/401k's? Sick leave? The list can go on and on...

    I guess racism in the past was ok too then. Hell, I bet hating on gays was completely fine and dandy too. Gosh, your logic is just fantastic.
    There is a leap... Union shop compared to racism reinforced by laws.

    A bargaining force the employer has no legal right by law to not negotiate with or not put in a contract for future employment.
    Uhhh, are you saying that school boards dont have the right by law to negotiated with a teachers union?

    Try again if you want. Do you perhaps remember what happened to Montgomery ward? Something that I might was ordered to happen by your hero and chief FDR?
    Nope. Nor do I see how this has anything to do with this current debate other than it has to deal with unions. What does the gov seizure of Montgomery Ward have anything to do with this case?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    So if I want to work at a place and they do NOT have a union - I have to get a majority of workers to vote for one in an election for the union to represent me. But if I get a job at a union shop, I only need the vote of one person to not have to pay the union and still force them to represent me.

    Talk about ass backwards right wing logic that makes absolutely no sense!!!!!
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I guess in the belief system in your mind there clearly is not. And that permits you to take the inane positions you have taken here.
    I'm not the one insulting people who disagree.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not the one insulting people who disagree.
    It is the right wing view that is an insult to working people in this nation.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is the right wing view that is an insult to working people in this nation.
    Individual liberty is neither right nor left.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Individual liberty is neither right nor left.
    No - its the invocation of LIBERTY as lipstick on the pig that those on the right pretend is their condom to protect their extremist views.
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