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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh yes, someone is freeloading when they don't want to join some other arrangement besides the one they showed up for. Whatever.
    the freeloader argument exists because government gave unions the responsibility to negotiate for every employee....and then gave unions the power to collect money form people who aren't members.

    it's a nice little card trick they pulled... and they have quite a few idiot minions to run around cheering such corruption on.


    but don't whine about .. just go find another job... because you should should be punished if you don't support corruption like that.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I really do not give an infants full diaper about their delusions. They are damn freeloaders.
    are you saying you don't support freeloading?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No, it's not a two way street. The union is the party attempting to exercise illegitimate power. He is simply indifferent to the union.
    ILEGITIMATE POWER!?!?!?!?!?!?!? What the hell does that even mean from somebody who a moment ago was talking about ones legal obligations under the law?????

    His actions would destroy the very union he is supposedly "indifferent to" if embraced by the majority. So can the utter ridiculous "indifferent" nonsense as it makes no sense.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    are you saying you don't support freeloading?
    What was there about my statement regarding this situation that you fail to comprehend?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So why should the obiligation be only on the part of the union then? Should this not be a two way street? He is NOT indifferent to the groups destruction as his very actions aid in that end.
    the unions shouldn't have an obligation to represent non-members...they were given that obligation because they sought for and won exclusive bargaining rights.

    as were talking about public sector unions.. they shouldn't even be allowed to exist, let alone extort money from non-members.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the freeloader argument exists because government gave unions the responsibility to negotiate for every employee....and then gave unions the power to collect money form people who aren't members.

    it's a nice little card trick they pulled... and they have quite a few idiot minions to run around cheering such corruption on.


    but don't whine about .. just go find another job... because you should should be punished if you don't support corruption like that.
    You threw out the unsubstantiated charge of supposed CORRUPTION and then utterly were blatantly impotent to offer any documentation of that charge.

    Why so?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ILEGITIMATE POWER!?!?!?!?!?!?!? What the hell does that even mean from somebody who a moment ago was talking about ones legal obligations under the law?????

    His actions would destroy the very union he is supposedly "indifferent to" if embraced by the majority. So can the utter ridiculous "indifferent" nonsense as it makes no sense.
    His right to be indifferent is older, deeper and more legitimate than the union's right to exist.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    I am strongly pro-union but I can't bring myself to force someone to be a member who doesn't want to. I realize it isn't fair such a person will share in the benefits. And you can't just say "if you won't contribute then you don't share in any benefits we negotiate for" because then the employer will just be more inclined to hire non-Union folks.

    The best they can do is not make the person pay fees and not allow the person a vote in union decisions.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the unions shouldn't have an obligation to represent non-members...they were given that obligation because they sought for and won exclusive bargaining rights.

    as were talking about public sector unions.. they shouldn't even be allowed to exist, let alone extort money from non-members.
    Ah - so the rules were written and then a portion of those same rules were changed by right wing legislatures like the one controlling Michigan to harm the union and its members. I was there in Lansing and saw it first hand as a witness to the insanity and rabid anti-union attacks which ended up in success for the corporatists and their suck ups.

    Got it loud and clear.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    1. Funds are fungible and there is no way to divide the pot, so, yeah... they do.

    2. Again, it isn't the problem of the non-union member what the union does or does not do with their money which is the point (if the union tries to get a 20% raise and only gets a 10% raise the member don't get a 50% dues refund).
    The purpose of a union is to represent a unified labor force when negotiating with management. A single worker has no power to negotiate, but the labor force does. It's a lot like hiring a lawyer to represent an individual or a group. The union has been, in effect, hired by the membership. If the membership doesn't like the agreement that the union negotiates, they don't have to accept it.

    So, if the union negotiates a 10% raise, and the membership approves of the result, the non member still gets the same raise. He should, therefore, chip in to pay for the representation that has benefited him. To do otherwise is to freeload from the payments of others.

    And, if you know of a union using dues money to donate to political causes, don't post it here. Report it to the labor board. It is illegal. Further, your statement about money being "fungible" is irrelevant. The only money the union has is either dues money, or money that has been donated by the members specifically for political purposes. They could, of course, use some of the political money for day to day operation of the union, which is dishonest, but they can't go the other way. It makes no sense.
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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