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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    The same principle applies to a job with a union. You agree to work somewhere where you will be represented by a union, and in exchange you pay union dues.
    Don't give me that crap. When you decide to look for work you go out with the intention of selling your labor for a salary.

    I'm not advocating for not paying managers. The relationship between worker and management is by nature an exploitative one. In order to correct for this, anti-union legislation needs to be repealed in order to give workers more power in the fate of their jobs, their wages, and their benefits. Government also needs to play a role here, and should mandate that all corporate management boards have 50% of their seats reserved for union representatives elected by the workers, ensure that all workers are paid a living wage, have adequate benefits, and work in humane safety conditions. I'd also favor encouragement of worker self-management as an alternative business model.
    Employers are already forced into all sorts of things for unions. No thank you.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It has everything to do with the gross injustice and sheer unfairness of having to represent a selfish free loader whose very actions toward you would destroy you if embraced by a majority.
    Oh yes, someone is freeloading when they don't want to join some other arrangement besides the one they showed up for. Whatever.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

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    Big case will be heard by the Supreme Court regarding union dues in non-right to work states. Whenever right to work vs non-right to work cases get brought up all I can think of is one cartoon, which I think hits the nail right on the head.


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    good.. I hope the unions lose ...extorting monies from non-members shouldn't be legal.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It has everything to do with the gross injustice and sheer unfairness of having to represent a selfish free loader whose very actions toward you would destroy you if embraced by a majority.
    He has no obligation to a group he did not ask to represent him. He is free to be indifferent to the group's "destruction."
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    I hope they do rule against the Unions. My job is with the employer, not the Union. Furthermore, as an aside, teacher unions have historically stood against many basic pieces of legislation providing basic rights for persons such as myself. I have never held any interest in supporting such institutions if I became a teacher. Why should I monetarily support an institution which stood against me having an education in the first place, and many other basic protections I was granted, let alone sensible bureaucratic changes which benefitted my people?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh yes, someone is freeloading when they don't want to join some other arrangement besides the one they showed up for. Whatever.
    I really do not give an infants full diaper about their delusions. They are damn freeloaders.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If a person does not want to be a member of a union, then it is not their problem what the union spends it's money doing. Which is what the case is about in the first place. Unions use their money for more than just negotiating for pay and benefits for employees - they donate money to politicians and other causes that not everyone agrees with (a First Amendment issue).

    How would you like it if you were forced to give money to a group that may benefit you in some way, yet also gives huge amounts of their dues to Republican politicians and right wing causes?

    This is the United States of America, not some socialist or communist country where the workers are forced to comply... or else.
    1. It is illegal for unions to use dues money for political contributions. If you know of an example of a union doing so, you should report it.

    2. If the union negotiates a 10% pay raise for the employees, non union members get the same raise. They represent the entire workforce, not just the members.
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He has no obligation to a group he did not ask to represent him. He is free to be indifferent to the group's "destruction."
    So why should the obiligation be only on the part of the union then? Should this not be a two way street? He is NOT indifferent to the groups destruction as his very actions aid in that end.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So why should the obiligation be only on the part of the union then? Should this not be a two way street? He is NOT indifferent to the groups destruction as his very actions aid in that end.
    No, it's not a two way street. The union is the party attempting to exercise illegitimate power. He is simply indifferent to the union.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    1. It is illegal for unions to use dues money for political contributions. If you know of an example of a union doing so, you should report it.

    2. If the union negotiates a 10% pay raise for the employees, non union members get the same raise. They represent the entire workforce, not just the members.
    1. Funds are fungible and there is no way to divide the pot, so, yeah... they do.

    2. Again, it isn't the problem of the non-union member what the union does or does not do with their money which is the point (if the union tries to get a 20% raise and only gets a 10% raise the member don't get a 50% dues refund).
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