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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

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    So lower union membership means.... What exactly? Their benefits are ****ty?
    Either the value is dropping, or everyone is brainwashed.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

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    Either the value is dropping, or everyone is brainwashed.
    Or...
    1.)Massive offshoring of jobs ("free trade", globalization)
    2.)Right to work laws, states attacks on unions
    3.)Taft-Hartley Act
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Or...
    1.)Massive offshoring of jobs ("free trade", globalization)
    2.)Right to work laws, states attacks on unions
    3.)Taft-Hartley Act
    1) That is the problem with minimum skill jobs.
    2) The state not forcing you to pay union dues is ideal.
    3) The state still forces companies to employ people that are not working, which is quite ridiculous.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    1) That is the problem with minimum skill jobs.
    So we ship them to where children do them? Pay them around .20 cents an hour? Sometimes you know just use slaves? Ship them to countries with no labor laws?

    2) The state not forcing you to pay union dues is ideal.
    And of course this is your opinion, thus moving forward their agenda...

    3) The state still forces companies to employ people that are not working, which is quite ridiculous.
    No it doesnt.

    But then again you asked the reason why we are seeing the downfall and it seems like your opinion on why its downfalling is now not that they were some sort of outdated process or some sort of "brainwashing" or whatever it was you said, to now being "yea we have these laws and the system is now downgrading it, and I'm all for it".
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So we ship them to where children do them? Pay them around .20 cents an hour? Sometimes you know just use slaves? Ship them to countries with no labor laws?


    And of course this is your opinion, thus moving forward their agenda...


    No it doesnt.
    That is what happens, yep.

    Forced payment without consent is ideal to you?

    You can fire strikers?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    That is what happens, yep.

    Forced payment without consent is ideal to you?

    You can fire strikers?
    You know what a strike is right? You really dont know how a labor dispute or a strike works do you?
    But then again you asked the reason why we are seeing the downfall and it seems like your opinion on why its downfalling is now not that they were some sort of outdated process or some sort of "brainwashing" or whatever it was you said, to now being "yea we have these laws and the system is now downgrading it, and I'm all for it".
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You know what a strike is right?
    https://www.nlrb.gov/strikes

    Economic strikers defined. If the object of a strike is to obtain from the employer some economic concession such as higher wages, shorter hours, or better working conditions, the striking employees are called economic strikers. They retain their status as employees and cannot be discharged, but they can be replaced by their employer. If the employer has hired bona fide permanent replacements who are filling the jobs of the economic strikers when the strikers apply unconditionally to go back to work, the strikers are not entitled to reinstatement at that time. However, if the strikers do not obtain regular and substantially equivalent employment, they are entitled to be recalled to jobs for which they are qualified when openings in such jobs occur if they, or their bargaining representative, have made an unconditional request for their reinstatement.

    Unfair labor practice strikers defined.Employees who strike to protest an unfair labor practice committed by their employer are called unfair labor practice strikers. Such strikers can be neither discharged nor permanently replaced. When the strike ends, unfair labor practice strikers, absent serious misconduct on their part, are entitled to have their jobs back even if employees hired to do their work have to be discharged.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

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    https://www.nlrb.gov/strikes

    Economic strikers defined. If the object of a strike is to obtain from the employer some economic concession such as higher wages, shorter hours, or better working conditions, the striking employees are called economic strikers. They retain their status as employees and cannot be discharged, but they can be replaced by their employer. If the employer has hired bona fide permanent replacements who are filling the jobs of the economic strikers when the strikers apply unconditionally to go back to work, the strikers are not entitled to reinstatement at that time. However, if the strikers do not obtain regular and substantially equivalent employment, they are entitled to be recalled to jobs for which they are qualified when openings in such jobs occur if they, or their bargaining representative, have made an unconditional request for their reinstatement.

    Unfair labor practice strikers defined.Employees who strike to protest an unfair labor practice committed by their employer are called unfair labor practice strikers. Such strikers can be neither discharged nor permanently replaced. When the strike ends, unfair labor practice strikers, absent serious misconduct on their part, are entitled to have their jobs back even if employees hired to do their work have to be discharged.
    Yea. In your little description you left out a part... All the bolded parts... A strike is not just 2 guys on the job decide not to come to work for 2 weeks (AKA how you tried to frame the discussion or what a strike is defined as.....)
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea. In your little description you left out a part... All the bolded parts... A strike is not just 2 guys on the job decide not to come to work for 2 weeks (AKA how you tried to frame the discussion or what a strike is defined as.....)
    So the state literally forces a company to keep employees that they want to fire, and even have to provide them a job after the employee literally does not do their job?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    So the state literally forces a company to keep employees that they want to fire, and even have to provide them a job after the employee literally does not do their job?
    You never heard of SCABS? Companies hiring workers to take the place of those on strikes? Oh yea, it happens all the ****ing time.
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