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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you seem to have nothing of substance to say.... as usual.
    Quite opposite really. You would think that one who pretends to give wise guy advice about the so called comprehension skills of another would - at a very minimum - be able to express that thought in basic English that a fourth grader can handle rather easily. Otherwise it holds that individual up to rather deserved ridicule. And compounding that mistake by you repeating it again and again - well that indeed is something of substance.

    It appears that you were not able to comprehend what you yourself wrote in your own rather poor use of the language - over and over again.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Henrin is right, you're making no sense. Pay comes from revenue/profits. And management gets more control because management is taking more risk.

    Not to mention you seem to think that management does no work whatsoever. Who do you think coordinates everything and makes sure it functions properly? That stuff doesn't just happen in a vacuum. No, it takes qualified and competent people who work just as hard, albeit not as physical, as everyone else.
    Management is not a job worthy of more pay than other jobs. There are always going to be discrepancies in wages due to the nature of capitalism, but the idea that given two jobs of equal working time, one is deserving of higher wages is frankly ridiculous. When talking about wages, we are talking about people's livelihoods. That's not something that should be subjected to competition.

    Worker self-management is an existing concept. Ending the major discrepancies between in benefits between employer and employee is not going to result in mass chaos because it doesn't mean no one manages. The job of management is democratized.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Management is not a job worthy of more pay than other jobs. There are always going to be discrepancies in wages due to the nature of capitalism, but the idea that given two jobs of equal working time, one is deserving of higher wages is frankly ridiculous. When talking about wages, we are talking about people's livelihoods. That's not something that should be subjected to competition.

    Worker self-management is an existing concept. Ending the major discrepancies between in benefits between employer and employee is not going to result in mass chaos because it doesn't mean no one manages. The job of management is democratized.
    "the idea that given two jobs of equal working time, one is deserving of higher wages is frankly ridiculous." What are your job qualifications to judge ridiculousness? Have you, or will you ever, sign the front of a paycheck? As for competition, why should I keep you employed when I could find someone more qualified?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Management is not a job worthy of more pay than other jobs. There are always going to be discrepancies in wages due to the nature of capitalism, but the idea that given two jobs of equal working time, one is deserving of higher wages is frankly ridiculous. When talking about wages, we are talking about people's livelihoods. That's not something that should be subjected to competition.

    Worker self-management is an existing concept. Ending the major discrepancies between in benefits between employer and employee is not going to result in mass chaos because it doesn't mean no one manages. The job of management is democratized.
    You're living in a naive paper theory fantasy land.

    Can you name a single society in history where this has been done, and done successfully?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Management is not a job worthy of more pay than other jobs. There are always going to be discrepancies in wages due to the nature of capitalism, but the idea that given two jobs of equal working time, one is deserving of higher wages is frankly ridiculous. When talking about wages, we are talking about people's livelihoods. That's not something that should be subjected to competition.

    Worker self-management is an existing concept. Ending the major discrepancies between in benefits between employer and employee is not going to result in mass chaos because it doesn't mean no one manages. The job of management is democratized.
    And yet, after so much history of man in the workplace, the concept you champion has failed over and over and over. Perhaps that suggests something?
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    "the idea that given two jobs of equal working time, one is deserving of higher wages is frankly ridiculous." What are your job qualifications to judge ridiculousness? Have you, or will you ever, sign the front of a paycheck? As for competition, why should I keep you employed when I could find someone more qualified?
    I'm not comparing two workers, rather two job positions.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You're living in a naive paper theory fantasy land.

    Can you name a single society in history where this has been done, and done successfully?
    Socialist Yugoslavia implemented worker self-management under Josip Broz Tito and saw a decline in unemployment, rise in education levels, and living standards and a life expectancy comparable to that of Western capitalist countries. The fall of Yugoslavia was a result of the ethnic conflict that emerged after Tito's death, and self-management ended during the country's collapse as a result of the ethnic conflict. Revolutionary Catalonia also implemented worker's self-management before being invaded in the Spanish Civil War. In the United States, in response to the Great Depression, over half of American farmers became members of worker cooperatives. Many cooperatives exist in the United States to this day. The same phenomenon of worker self-management has been implemented in several factories in Greece in response to the Greek financial crisis. The Mondragon Cooperative Corporation in the Basque Country of Spain is a prominent example of a cooperative successful in modern times. Many businesses in Argentina are self-managed as a result of the Argentine financial crisis of 2001. So yes, worker self-management has been implemented successfully multiple times across the globe.


    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    And yet, after so much history of man in the workplace, the concept you champion has failed over and over and over. Perhaps that suggests something?
    See my response to radcen. I'm not sure you understand the concept of self-management and the fact that implementation of it around the globe has been successful or if you're just claiming that all forms of socialism are a failure because muh Cold War.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    See my response to radcen. I'm not sure you understand the concept of self-management and the fact that implementation of it around the globe has been successful or if you're just claiming that all forms of socialism are a failure because muh Cold War.
    I am familiar with concepts involving self management. And true examples are limited at best. Further, having leadership share decision making power is not some new idea, nor should it be considered a radical new business model. What I see is an attempt to co-opt a common business practice into something that it isn't.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You're living in a naive paper theory fantasy land.

    Can you name a single society in history where this has been done, and done successfully?
    Management isn't a more important job, requiring more experience and more valuable skills....

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I'm not comparing two workers, rather two job positions.
    I understood you to mean two job positions. You see no difference in the salary potential of two different jobs is even more silly.

    You conveniently ignored the rest. I take it that you never have signed the front of a paycheck.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Management is not a job worthy of more pay than other jobs. There are always going to be discrepancies in wages due to the nature of capitalism, but the idea that given two jobs of equal working time, one is deserving of higher wages is frankly ridiculous. When talking about wages, we are talking about people's livelihoods. That's not something that should be subjected to competition.

    Worker self-management is an existing concept. Ending the major discrepancies between in benefits between employer and employee is not going to result in mass chaos because it doesn't mean no one manages. The job of management is democratized.
    Sooner or later "worker self-management" leads to some animals being more equal than others.
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