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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    there is no one forced into paying dues without a union agreement in this country, no one.

    you cannot be compelled to pay someone money for nothing with no documentation.
    they're not called "dues" for non-members.. they are called agency fees....and for almost all union, they are exactly equal to the amount paid for dues.
    furthermore, they are withheld, so the employee has no power over whether to pay them or not.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    I'm kind of curious how a contract can be seen as valid with terms imposed on both parties by a third party.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    give me a break, union contributions are nothing compared to big business.
    there's alot more big businesses out there than there are unions... and the key difference is, business spending doesn't come from mandated dues or agency fees.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Without government enforced unionization, unions would only be in very small sectors with highly skilled workers. Stamping sheet metal and teaching kids to finger paint is not highly skilled in anyway. The overwhelming vast majority of union members are in monkeys can be trained to do this jobs.
    that goes way too far... sure, there are some unskilled union laborers... but most of them are skilled laborers

    one of the things you can't really complain about is skilled union labor... unions offer some pretty good schooling and apprentice programs that put out very good workers.
    unfortunately, they don't teach or require good work ethics to go along with those good skills.... to the contrary, they usually reward poor work ethics and put in place policies that undermine the work ethic.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    most of those benefits are set by the company
    as a union representative, i negotiated everything except wage rates and benefits ... those were established by congress

    the employee handbook says x, and that is what you get unless you negotiate separately
    not with most unions. normally, there will be a job description and an associated wage rate
    of course, the employee who prefers to negotiate for him/herself is free to instead apply at a non-union company

    i have one employee that gets 6 weeks off a year.....he visits family in the middle east
    under a union shop arrangement, that might also be possible, however, you would negotiate that unique provision as a principle, that could be applied to other employees who fit the circumstance, and not for a specific named employee

    while you are inquiring about the approach to your two labor-standards impacted managers, you may want to also ask HR if this specifically named vacation recipient exposes your company to any potential EEOC litigation under race, age, and/or religious bases

    i have another who negotiated pay for 3 months maternity, not the normal 6 weeks
    as above, possible, but only with defined criteria, not a named employee. this unique circumstance may also be one that places you in jeopardy of a title 7 action for disparate treatment of women. would encourage you to broach HR about it

    in today's world, most of those things are covered in every companies handbook (at least any company over 100 people)
    a handbook of conditions of employment negotiated by the employees' union representative and management's representative ... for any union shop
    such unilateral determinations should never be found acceptable by any competent labor rep

    so other than really salary/wage there isnt a whole lot to go through
    in a union shop, you would go thru all of it

    now, kudos to you, for operating a company that apparently has not had its employees feel the need to elect a bargaining unit representative
    if employees feel they are being treated fairly, they have no reason to seek union help
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm kind of curious how a contract can be seen as valid with terms imposed on both parties by a third party.
    easy.. pass a law saying that 3rd party has the power to impose it's terms... .and give it exclusive power to demand those terms.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is it that when I answer a question either no one hears me or no one reads it? They just stupidly ask the question again like I never said or wrote anything. I already said I'm doing business with the employer not the workers.
    probably because it is recognized that you are very ignorant of the labor laws which prevent that
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    probably because it is recognized that you are very ignorant of the labor laws which prevent that
    Prevent what? How do labor laws prevent you from reading or listening to what I say?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Management can't do a thing - the employee files a grievance, the union backs their laziness ... the amount of documentation and evidence to win at a grievance is fairly high and when a manager has a real need of these guys to work, they suddenly develop a vague sickness or require mental evaluation with a psychologist and go on light duty required by a union physician. Even if you get them out - guess who takes their place? Someone just like the one who just left... Good management decides to bypass the unions and go with contractors.
    sometimes they can't go with contractors, per the union contract.

    for example.. in my case i was allowed to service both Roadway and Yellow freight... simply because they had no physical maintenance shop.
    part of the deal was that if a terminal had a physical shop, they had to employ union mechanics.
    neither terminal had a physical shop in Vegas, so they were allowed to contract for maintenance services...or they could build a shop.
    it was , by far, more economically sensible to contract out than to have to buy more land and build a shop... so that's were I came in.

    my first move after winning those contracts was to head down to the Roadway terminal in San Bernadino ( they had a maintenance shop) and poach experienced mechanics that were already familiar with their equipment and procedures.
    one of those former union mechanics was the guy I sold my business to in the end.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why should a contract with group A include membership to group B? Why must I agree to join a union when I agree to get a job? Are unions so inept that they must latch themselves onto other contracts?
    you don't have to

    you instead only have to seek employment from non-union employers. normally the ones that pay less, and offer fewer benefits and nominal job security

    that contract arrangement you entered into with the unionized employer, includes a provision that by virtue of your willful, voluntary employment with said company, you have also agreed to become a member of the bargaining unit. whether you agree to become a union member is another choice you personally make. but your contract for employment with a firm having a union will compel you to agree to be a bargaining unit member UNLESS you are a member of management and/or you are within a job which is prohibited from being within the bargaining unit

    in the federal sector, those excluded positions are normally those where the employee is involved in making personnel decisions, even in a non-management capacity

    and as an aside, even tho the manager at the company CANNOT be a bargaining unit employee, represented by the union, (s)he CAN be a dues paying union member, entitled to vote at union elections (but not hold representative office). i helped LOTS of management officials in their careers and they responded by joining the union as dues paying/supporting union members
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