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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    No agreement, just a law forcing payment.
    there is no one forced into paying dues without a union agreement in this country, no one.

    you cannot be compelled to pay someone money for nothing with no documentation.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    there is no one forced into paying dues without a union agreement in this country, no one.

    you cannot be compelled to pay someone money for nothing with no documentation.
    Except for a few cases SCOTUS has ruled on, the overwhelming vast majority of dues are forced and cannot be opted out of.

    Sure you can, it happens daily with taxes.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your point? Do you think I'm wrong that unions forced their way onto the contract?
    Yes, you are wrong, there is a specific legal process to be followed to unionize. there is no force, not like in the old days when management would bring in thugs to shoot union workers anyway...
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I think you've managed to use every stereotype not back up by evidence in one post, congrats.
    Yeah like I'm going to post personal company employee information on an internet board to satisfy someone who I don't know, requirements for evidence. Didya ever think the stereotype exists because it's not just a stereotype? Being a former CWA shop steward I think I have a bit of a background to make those statements.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except for a few cases SCOTUS has ruled on, the overwhelming vast majority of dues are forced and cannot be opted out of.

    Sure you can, it happens daily with taxes.
    no dues are not forced, they're accepted voluntarily with joining that workplace. that's like saying you're forced to pay the Eagles club if you join, and you should just be able to hang out and get the benefits of the eagles club for free.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Yes, you are wrong, there is a specific legal process to be followed to unionize. there is no force, not like in the old days when management would bring in thugs to shoot union workers anyway...
    None of what you just said covers my post. Randomness on this forum is getting really old. How did the union become part of the union contract? Did business really want them to be part of the contract?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    who was the management representative who allowed such BS to be negotiated under the contract?
    it's not "bs" .. it's common... especially in the trucking industry (Teamsters dominated)...jobs are strictly defined and workers are not allowed to go beyond those definitions under the guise of stealing work from another worker.
    if this guy was hired as a fueler, there's nothing else he would be allowed to do....
    if the terminal had a janitor, he wouldn't even be allowed to push a broom to fill his time when he wasn't fueling.

    I made a ton of money off of such "bs" rules... a ton.
    my night were busy making service call to the terminals to do things the drivers weren't allowed to do.. such as adjusting their mirrors, checking/adding oil to their trucks.. replacing a mudflap or a marker light bulb.
    if I could string together 2 or 3 simple jobs, I could make close to a grand a night.
    I absolutely loved hearing that phone ring at night.

    Conway ( non-union) is another story... there were no simple night calls for me there... they actually had their drivers do the simple things.
    being a non-union company, they also had much better equipment.. such as trucks with electric mirrors

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    no dues are not forced, they're accepted voluntarily with joining that workplace.
    They are forced, hence the litigation. If they were voluntary nobody would sue.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    no dues are not forced, they're accepted voluntarily with joining that workplace. that's like saying you're forced to pay the Eagles club if you join, and you should just be able to hang out and get the benefits of the eagles club for free.
    Did they want to join the union? Did employers want to make it part of their contract? Does either party in the arrangement have any choice but to have that provision as part of the contract?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    So employers who don't want to provide healthcare and pay a livable wage are okay? Just find another job. But employers that require workers to join a union as a condition of employment are bad?
    employers that dont want to pay a competitive wage, or competitive benefits are going to find sub par employees if they can find any

    i can advertise certain jobs every day. 52 weeks a year, but if my wages arent competitive, i wont get many applicants

    and the ones i do get, i will wish i hadnt

    every decent manager knows this.....

    it is a fine line we walk.....paying enough to get good people, and retain them

    but not overpaying to keep the profit rolling
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