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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If someone does not wish to be a member of the union then really there isn't a valid rational to make them pay the union dues. I'm sorry you can't get everyone to fall in love with your group, but that doesn't mean you can force them to pay for it.
    there is something to this approach
    the union should cooperate and insist that the benefits, wage, overtime, work release, vacation, telework, sick leave, maternity leave, grievance and arbitration efforts to achieve problem resolution, should be denied to those non-dues paying members
    and those non-dues paying members should be allowed to negotiate their own benefits packages themselves. they should similarly be required to resolve all of their disputes without the union's negotiated dispute resolution mechanism
    that way, they can enjoy the dues they are not paying without enjoying the benefits the union has negotiated
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there is something to this approach
    the union should cooperate and insist that the benefits, wage, overtime, work release, vacation, telework, sick leave, maternity leave, grievance and arbitration efforts to achieve problem resolution, should be denied to those non-dues paying members
    and those non-dues paying members should be allowed to negotiate their own benefits packages themselves. they should similarly be required to resolve all of their disputes without the union's negotiated dispute resolution mechanism
    that way, they can enjoy the dues they are not paying without enjoying the benefits the union has negotiated

    most of those benefits are set by the company

    the employee handbook says x, and that is what you get unless you negotiate separately

    i have one employee that gets 6 weeks off a year.....he visits family in the middle east

    i have another who negotiated pay for 3 months maternity, not the normal 6 weeks

    in today's world, most of those things are covered in every companies handbook (at least any company over 100 people)

    so other than really salary/wage there isnt a whole lot to go through
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No doubt you will "take it" in the way that agrees with your own preconceived beliefs the best. .
    as is usual.. i'm correct....

    btw - my long standing position on welfare is that NOBODY should get welfare for being idle who is capable of working.
    how very right wing of you....
    I look forward to you being consistent by supporting policies that force these evil "freeloaders" to work.

    enough of your right wing politics..now back to you utter disrespect of the right to freely associate when it comes to unions..... why do you feel people should be forced to pay unions against their wishes again?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there is something to this approach
    the union should cooperate and insist that the benefits, wage, overtime, work release, vacation, telework, sick leave, maternity leave, grievance and arbitration efforts to achieve problem resolution, should be denied to those non-dues paying members
    and those non-dues paying members should be allowed to negotiate their own benefits packages themselves. they should similarly be required to resolve all of their disputes without the union's negotiated dispute resolution mechanism
    that way, they can enjoy the dues they are not paying without enjoying the benefits the union has negotiated
    that would be fair....


    for a starter, though.. it's enough to simply say non-member can only pay for direct representational costs... unions are now charging agency fees which are exactly equal to member dues.... that, to any reasonable person, is not right.
    most folks wouldn't be opposed to having to pay for what you get... everybody should be opposed to paying for stuff you don't want, and don't get.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    God, do I ever hate Socialist logic. You are agreeing to work in exchange for a salary. Why would the employer decide to hire help if everything that is gained from the arrangement goes to the hired help? Don't you think they would just decide to not hire help if that was the case?
    let's follow this train of thought

    you have - by choice - agreed to apply for employment at a work site with an established union
    then why the objection to that union

    and certainly no objection to working for the pay and benefits negotiated by that union
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's follow this train of thought

    you have - by choice - agreed to apply for employment at a work site with an established union
    then why the objection to that union

    and certainly no objection to working for the pay and benefits negotiated by that union
    Why is it that when I answer a question either no one hears me or no one reads it? They just stupidly ask the question again like I never said or wrote anything. I already said I'm doing business with the employer not the workers.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Hey, remember how your side says that people made a choice to start a business when talking about anti-discrimination laws? Well, you made a choice to start a union and you made a choice to represent everyone.



    Last time I'm checked people are hired on by employers, not fellow workers.
    and if the employer agreed to a union security clause, you pay!
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    and if the employer agreed to a union security clause, you pay!
    There is no agreement, there is only a law forcing it.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    and if the employer agreed to a union security clause, you pay!
    Oh indeed. Apparently, I'm supposed to accept the union putting themselves into the employment agreement. Sorry, but I don't accept it when clubs put other memberships into their agreements and I don't accept it when unions do it either.

    Oh and btw, check the law. The employer has no choice in the matter.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    There is no agreement, there is only a law forcing it.
    yes it is agreement.

    laws by nature force someone to act in a certain way
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    No one cares about your stupid hippy logic
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