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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I know a guy... strong union guy... who was employed by a trucking distribution facility. He commonly and proudly boasted that he pumped gas for $24/hr. He proudly boasted that his job description was so limited that, if there were no truck to pump gas into, he could pretty much just do nothing as long as he wasn't overtly just standing around. He proudly boasted that if management got on his case for *anything*, the union would go to bat for him, even when he knew management was in the right (and he would let them). And when asked directly by me, he admitted he was way overpaid considering the level of skill and work that was required of him, but because he could get away with it, he was a strong union guy.

    Who's the freeloader?
    Same with union folks that work in my area - I put in a ticket to stretch about 1,800 feet of dual mode fiber between two buildings. I call a week later asking how things are going and a former employee (retired but now a contractor) says the ticket is still open because the tech is too busy playing online cards - my ticket was one of three open. He was paid to actually play cards, did very little work and was fully backed by the IBEW, since he has up to 2 weeks to address new tickets due to his "work load".

    At peronal risk to my job and the retired contractor, we stretched the fiber ourselves, labeled and connected after 6 pm and the ticket was cancelled. No questions were ever asked.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What was there about my statement regarding this situation that you fail to comprehend?
    don't worry your pretty little head about my comprehension..

    ...i'll take this to mean you have a very strong dislike of freeloaders....which is a very odd position coming from a loyal lefty Democrat.

    how do you reconcile your dislike of freeloaders with your overt support of social programs such as welfare?... or are you consistent and ware now going to demonize welfare recipients as freeloaders?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    there should be

    the union bargains for many at one time.....some great, some average, some poor employees

    the individual bargains just for them alone.....if they are one of the "great employees" their pay should be above the union rate

    if average, around the union rate, and poor....they shouldnt get the job

    that is the way it works.....when you negotiate for everyone like in a union....you know you have all 3 types of employees

    the individual has no such barriers
    Actually, in the real world, it works on supply and demand just like everything else. If there is a shortage of people skilled in widget installation, then the wages of widget installers goes up. If the supply exceeds the demand, then the wages go down.

    If the installers are represented by the United Brotherhood of Widget Installers (UBWI), then that entity can help keep wages from bottoming out, at least for the currently employed.

    So, if human beings are to be a commodity traded on price set by supply and demand, like cotton or oil, then they don't need a union. If they're to have some semblance of job security and decent wages, then they need to be represented.

    Face it: No employer cares about one widget installer. He's replaceable, especially during times of plenty.
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Great for the non-unions members. Unions are not dwindling because there is an evil conspiracy, it is just because unions serve no helpful purpose, especially to those that are forced to be in them.
    I suppose the same could be said for lawyers who represent clients against powerful entities such as insurance companies.

    At least not if you're in favor of tilting at windmills engaging in uneven negotiations.
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    At least not if you're in favor of tilting at windmills engaging in uneven negotiations.
    The highest paid people are not in unions. Stamping sheet metal is supposed to be easy which leads to "uneven" demand power.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    don't worry your pretty little head about my comprehension..

    ...i'll take this to mean you have a very strong dislike of freeloaders....which is a very odd position coming from a loyal lefty Democrat.

    how do you reconcile your dislike of freeloaders with your overt support of social programs such as welfare?... or are you consistent and ware now going to demonize welfare recipients as freeloaders?
    No doubt you will "take it" in the way that agrees with your own preconceived beliefs the best.

    btw - my long standing position on welfare is that NOBODY should get welfare for being idle who is capable of working.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The highest paid people are not in unions. Stamping sheet metal is supposed to be easy which leads to "uneven" demand power.
    No, the highest paid people are in the board room. Unfortunately, only an elite few can be in the board room.
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, the highest paid people are in the board room. Unfortunately, only an elite few can be in the board room.
    Elected by the shareholders.

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, the highest paid people are in the board room. Unfortunately, only an elite few can be in the board room.
    Build bigger boardrooms!

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    Re: Supreme Court to Weigh Dispute Over Union Fees

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Build bigger boardrooms!
    There you go! Why have Indians when we can all be chiefs?
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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