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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I know. Is this a history lesson or something?
    Not at all, except for those Democrats who seem to think that all the racism has always been on the right. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not at all, except for those Democrats who seem to think that all the racism has always been on the right. Nothing could be further from the truth.
    You do realize parties dont make you right or left, its those ideas behind the parties that make one left or right.... Democrats in the mid to late 1800's represented generally the party of "small government" focusing on mainly state rights, conservative ideas, and appealing to small town and farmer based voters. Republicans in the north generally represented expansion of federal power, industrialization, government sponsored economic/industrial projects, what you can call today "modern american liberalism" or the forefather of such ideas. Then you slowly saw the rhetoric start to switch after the Civil War. I think this history professor explains it best: When and (to an extent) why did the parties switch places? - The Edge of the American West - The Chronicle of Higher Education

    It wasnt that Democrats back in the late 1800's were the liberals and Republicans were the conservatives, or whatever description of ideology you want to call it. It was generally reversed. Democrats party of states rights and small government, Republicans party of what is often described for one way or another "big government" and strong federal power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It wasnt that Democrats back in the late 1800's were the liberals and Republicans were the conservatives, or whatever description of ideology you want to call it. It was generally reversed. Democrats party of states rights and small government, Republicans party of what is often described for one way or another "big government" and strong federal power.
    And now we have nothing but big-government, anti-responsibility, live-beyond-your-means parties, one is loony left, the other is religious right, both are essentially "liberal". When do we get conservatism back?
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And now we have nothing but big-government, anti-responsibility, live-beyond-your-means parties, one is loony left, the other is religious right, both are essentially "liberal". When do we get conservatism back?
    Uhhhh what?
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    This is crap about the flag is just plain Un-American.
    No one is outlawing public displays of the flag. There is nothing un-American about state governments removing a battle flag, flown by an army dedicated to splitting the Union in half. There certainly isn't anything illegal about retailers choosing voluntarily not to sell a product. Nor is anyone making it illegal to display the Confederate battle flag.


    In the past few weeks we've raged against free speech in the flag flap, changed the definition of marriage and decided that "...established by the states" means exactly the same thing as "...established by the federal government". There's always going to be some stuff going on that some of us don't like. That's the way life goes. At some point we all need to grow the **** up and learn how to deal with things that bother us without forcing other people to give up their beliefs and freedoms.
    So you're OK with losing a whole bunch of court cases and with 9 people in a church being shot to death, but you're not OK with a bunch of southern states removing Confederate flag displays? THAT is where you draw the line?

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhhh what?
    Having problems with basic English?
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I don't know why the KKK aren't considered terrorists, given their history.
    They usually are.

    There was also a big article last week which pointed out that white supremacist and anti-federal-government terrorists have killed more people in the US than Muslim terrorists since 9/11.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us...reat.html?_r=0

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    No one is outlawing public displays of the flag. There is nothing un-American about state governments removing a battle flag, flown by an army dedicated to splitting the Union in half. There certainly isn't anything illegal about retailers choosing voluntarily not to sell a product. Nor is anyone making it illegal to display the Confederate battle flag.



    So you're OK with losing a whole bunch of court cases and with 9 people in a church being shot to death, but you're not OK with a bunch of southern states removing Confederate flag displays? THAT is where you draw the line?
    I'm not "OK" with any of that stuff and it takes a pretty damned warped reading of what I wrote to come up with that theory.

    The flag is a symbol of southern heritage and its meaning is defined by the actions of southerners. I would like to note that part of that heritage is not only overcoming the effects of the war and the history of racism but THRIVING since those practices were abolished. Furthermore, the people of Charleston (and across the south) appointed themselves with a level of dignity and grace after the shooting at Emanuel AME that we should all aspire to. THAT is the heritage of the south.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    They usually are.

    There was also a big article last week which pointed out that white supremacist and anti-federal-government terrorists have killed more people in the US than Muslim terrorists since 9/11.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us...reat.html?_r=0
    They're predominantly White so of course they're not being called terrorists. That label is reserved for brown people.
    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Blacks aren't committing more crime. That's the point. They use drugs at similar rates yet they get harsher sentences and more convictions.
    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I disagree. Just because their drug usage may be no different does not mean their propensity to commit crime is the same or equal.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm not "OK" with any of that stuff and it takes a pretty damned warped reading of what I wrote to come up with that theory.

    The flag is a symbol of southern heritage and its meaning is defined by the actions of southerners. I would like to note that part of that heritage is not only overcoming the effects of the war and the history of racism but THRIVING since those practices were abolished. Furthermore, the people of Charleston (and across the south) appointed themselves with a level of dignity and grace after the shooting at Emanuel AME that we should all aspire to. THAT is the heritage of the south.
    The confederate Flag came into promenence as a pop culture icon with the opposition of the Civil Rights movement that was picking up steam in the 1950's. It was a giant F-YOU to the government and a display of hatred to Blacks at that time. That's the Heritage of the South.
    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Blacks aren't committing more crime. That's the point. They use drugs at similar rates yet they get harsher sentences and more convictions.
    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I disagree. Just because their drug usage may be no different does not mean their propensity to commit crime is the same or equal.

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