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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
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    Adendum to my last post as it was not clear:

    Atwater stated that there was a "Southern Strategy" developed by Henry Dent in 1968 that focused on the VRA, states rights and forced busing to win Southern votes. The Republicans lost the South in 1968. Nixon won in a landslide everywhere in 1972, and then the Dems recaptured the South in 1976.

    The problem for the Democrats "Southern Strategy" narrative was that the "Southern Strategy" as described by Atwater wasn't employed by the Republicans, but by the Independent Party candidate George Wallace, who won the deep South. The Republicans wouldn't take control of the Deep south until Reagan when Atwater said there was no Southern Strategy. So the only part of Atwaters statement that he can vouch for is the Reagan campaign where he states a Southern Strategy was not used... and it was those campaigns that swayed the South into the Republican column.

    Likewise, the other Democrat narrative that the Southern Strategy drove blacks to vote Democrat is also not backed up by the data. THe black vote has been solidly Democrat forever, even when the Democrats "Southern Strategy" of "n----r, n----r, n----r" was being used by Democrats in the south.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Fortunately the people are far too intelligent to buy into your rewriting of history. Nice try though. I'm sure you can find a few stragglers that'll buy your BS but that's about it.
    I'm going by what Atwater said, and what the actual voting returns show, which do not support the narrative that Southern racist whites 1) flocked to the Republican party (they didn't) and 2) That is was due to the Nixon "southern Strategy" (Republicans lost the deep South).

    Southern white voters didn't turn Republican until the Reagan years when your source, Lee Atwater, said that Republicans ran only on the conservative platform of "fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes". So are we to take Atwater's third hand recount of the 1968 election or his first hand recount of the 1980 and 1984 elections? Because either way it doesn't support the Democrat narrative.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, so we've gone from "The South was democratic until 1984" to "Well, OK, so Reagan carried all but one Confederate state in 1980, running against a Southern Governor, one of their own, but not by a landslide!" I guess that's progress.
    No, nice straw man. Reagan didn't win a landslide in the Southern states in 1980, they were all fairly close races. Reagan didn't solidify the Southern states with huge margins until 1984.


    Sheesh, you're talking about a region that didn't even HAVE actual general elections for many offices in many areas including my dad's hometown. The Democratic primary was the election - there were no republicans seeking office in his rural county.
    I'm guessing "your dad's hometown" was not a Congressional district?

    No, it's more than that. In the 1960s, the white vote was overwhelmingly democratic - nearly all (as in approaching 100%) of elected white men (which outside a few urban areas meant all elected officials) were democrats. Now it's just about reversed. Same for the black vote - flipped parties nearly completely.
    Nope, the black vote has always voted Democrat in a strong majority. Check Gallup records on vote demographics (here and here for the civil rights era).
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As spoken by grandpa, got it.
    You mean by Confederate veterans themselves. There, fixed it for ya.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who do you have to be? You don't have to be anyone, but you'll find in life that demanding something in conversation usually makes people think you're an a-hole, and won't lead to anything productive in that conversation.



    Really? See when you challenge someone like this---



    So, it wasn't good enough for you to have a polite conversation, no. You had to not only call into question what vets told her grandfather, but further insult her by demanding that she document, and research for you what was related to her from her grandfather, instead of doing your own research, as though you are someone who is deserving of some deference in matter. IOW, you were rude, and arrogant. If you don't believe her, fine, you don't have to, but you don't have to be rude in expressing that.



    What would a resident of Utah know of "Southern History"? Other than the revision undergone by years of liberal indoctrination that is?



    I know full well what this site is about, and really don't need your snarky little explanation of what you think needs to be adhered to...All you do with your attitude is reinforce what is generally thought of liberal expression.



    I don't go cryin' to 'mommy' and 'daddy' with every jack ass comment others make like libs do....
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    There's nothing wrong with the Confederate flag!

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    You mean by Confederate veterans themselves. There, fixed it for ya.
    Come on dear! I'll respect your grandpa, but he's not a veteran of the civil war.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, nice straw man. Reagan didn't win a landslide in the Southern states in 1980, they were all fairly close races. Reagan didn't solidify the Southern states with huge margins until 1984.
    As I said, "but not by a landslide!" You moved the goal posts from winning to winning by huge margins.

    I'm guessing "your dad's hometown" was not a Congressional district?
    Again, this is a straightforward sentence: "that didn't even HAVE actual general elections for many offices in many areas including my dad's hometown." Or, more clearly, the Democrat ran UNOPPOSED in most general election races, and 100% of office holders were white and Democrats.

    Nope, the black vote has always voted Democrat in a strong majority. Check Gallup records on vote demographics (here and here for the civil rights era).
    I guess you don't really get why we needed the Voting Rights Act in the South. Blacks weren't allowed to register, or allowed to vote, and therefore also couldn't run for office or serve on juries. It's a sort of an important feature about the South and race and parties. I couldn't find a verifiable source, but one article put the number at 3% of blacks registered in the South in 1940. In Mississippi in 1960, many sources say only 5% of blacks were registered. And that was because of Jim Crow, not apathy. So those Gallup Polls just omit blacks in that region.

    And you're making the same mistake everyone else does when they say "Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act!! They're the REAL RACISTS!!! AHA!!!" No, southern whites did, and they were nearly all democrats. Democrats in the entire rest of the country voted nearly 100% FOR the CRA and VRA. And the Democrats didn't run Southern racists for POTUS. LBJ was a Southerner and supported the CRA.

    I think your point is the Southern Strategy was more than "appeal to racists and they'll come to the GOP to get away from the blacks" and I agree. Race was just one of several reasons for the shift of Southern whites from nearly 100% democratic in 1960 to dominated by the GOP in the current era. But what you can't ignore is the national Democratic party's support for civil rights caused a huge split in the South, which is why the DIxiecrats emerged in the 1940s and the South went for Wallace in 1968. Goldwater ran against forced desegregation, and won the South. You can say all you want his motives were "states rights" but they just "happened" to align with Southern racists views of white supremacy and would have allowed blacks to be treated as second class citizens for a generation more or so. So the politics of race aren't the only cause, but were a big cause and in any event greased the wheels for the realignment of southern whites back to the party of the despised Lincoln and all that his hated Republican party did during reconstruction.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Come on dear! I'll respect your grandpa, but he's not a veteran of the civil war.
    He got the history straight from them. Its like having a WW2 vet in the family (which I do) and listening to their stories of been there done that.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    As I said, "but not by a landslide!" You moved the goal posts from winning to winning by huge margins.


    Again, this is a straightforward sentence: "that didn't even HAVE actual general elections for many offices in many areas including my dad's hometown." Or, more clearly, the Democrat ran UNOPPOSED in most general election races, and 100% of office holders were white and Democrats.


    I guess you don't really get why we needed the Voting Rights Act in the South. Blacks weren't allowed to register, or allowed to vote, and therefore also couldn't run for office or serve on juries. It's a sort of an important feature about the South and race and parties. I couldn't find a verifiable source, but one article put the number at 3% of blacks registered in the South in 1940. In Mississippi in 1960, many sources say only 5% of blacks were registered. And that was because of Jim Crow, not apathy. So those Gallup Polls just omit blacks in that region.

    And you're making the same mistake everyone else does when they say "Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act!! They're the REAL RACISTS!!! AHA!!!" No, southern whites did, and they were nearly all democrats. Democrats in the entire rest of the country voted nearly 100% FOR the CRA and VRA. And the Democrats didn't run Southern racists for POTUS. LBJ was a Southerner and supported the CRA.

    I think your point is the Southern Strategy was more than "appeal to racists and they'll come to the GOP to get away from the blacks" and I agree. Race was just one of several reasons for the shift of Southern whites from nearly 100% democratic in 1960 to dominated by the GOP in the current era. But what you can't ignore is the national Democratic party's support for civil rights caused a huge split in the South, which is why the DIxiecrats emerged in the 1940s and the South went for Wallace in 1968. Goldwater ran against forced desegregation, and won the South. You can say all you want his motives were "states rights" but they just "happened" to align with Southern racists views of white supremacy and would have allowed blacks to be treated as second class citizens for a generation more or so. So the politics of race aren't the only cause, but were a big cause and in any event greased the wheels for the realignment of southern whites back to the party of the despised Lincoln and all that his hated Republican party did during reconstruction.
    Good posts. You know your history.

    A guy who was around at the time might like to pipe in and share a few circa '64 words to add to it...

    "The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right.

    The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade
    .


    It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President of the United States.

    Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century.
    ...
    On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand.

    In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.



    While I had followed a policy of not endorsing political candidates, I felt that the prospect of Senator Goldwater being President of the United States so threatened the health, morality, and survival of our nation, that I could not in good conscience fail to take a stand against what he represented."

    -Martin Luther King, Jr.

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