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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no. i would speculate most of us are opposed to flying the confederate battle flag over government property or while affixed to government issued items
    if that were not the case, i don't think the SC elected representatives would have taken their action to strike the confederate flag from flying on public property
    You understand little of SC...You'd do best to your usual inflammatory drivel.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You understand little of SC...You'd do best to your usual inflammatory drivel.
    my family still owns much of a kings grant in upstate SC
    my forefathers fought at kings mountain and cowpens

    only to illustrate how wrong you consistently are
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    In 1980 Reagan carried every Southern state but Georgia, Carter's home state.

    Bottom line is the white Southern vote has completely shifted in the South, from overwhelmingly Democratic to overwhelmingly Republican, and the reverse is basically true for the black vote.
    They were mostly narrow victories so they didn't show a rock solid southern hold. There were just enough people annoyed with Carter's buffoonery to tip the scale in those states. 1984 was a landslide due to Reagan's performance as president.

    It should also be pointed out that during Nixon's supposed "Southern Strategy" the Democrats held a pretty tight hold on the South in congress. It would stand to reason that if the southern whites turned Republican from Nixon's supposed "Southern Strategy" that they would also be voting Republican in Congress, but they weren't. Even during the years when Reagan was at his most popular the Southern congressional reps were mostly Democrats.

    All the "Southern Strategy" has to base its conclusion on was that Nixon won the south in one election in 1972, the demographics of all the other presidential and congressional elections from 1968 through the 80s show the South staying strongly Democrat.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    my family still owns much of a kings grant in upstate SC
    my forefathers fought at kings mountain and cowpens

    only to illustrate how wrong you consistently are
    Well, good for your family....Do you live in the Upstate as well?
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, good for your family....Do you live in the Upstate as well?
    i have a residence there, tho not my primary home, as well as a cottage at myrtle beach. went to school in charleston. i think i am well versed in south carolina and its citizens - dating back to 1952
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i have a residence there, tho not my primary home, as well as a cottage at myrtle beach. went to school in charleston. i think i am well versed in south carolina and its citizens - dating back to 1952
    Hmmmm....Interesting, but you don't live in SC as a primary....Let me guess, Somewhere around Winston-Salem.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Now it's just a myth huh? lol

    Even though The GOP apologized for doing it.


    Even though Lee Atwater explained how the GOP used it in his day.


    It never really happened folks. It was all just a dream.


    "The GOP" apologized for doing it? And since the assertion by the Democrats has long been that the southern whites turned Republican because of Nixon's strategy you would expect to see the southern white Democrats actually, your know, voting Republican The dude who apologized was thee years old when the "southern strategy" supposedly happening. Who was he getting his information from, Atwater? Atwater didn't say what the Democrats think he said.

    Atwater's "admission" was that a politician could gather southern votes by saying "n----r, n----r, n----r" in the 1950s but that by 1968 you won it by arguing states rights, etc. etc. but what does that actually mean? The Southern DEMOCRATS were winning the southern vote in '54 with "n----r, n----r, n----r", and in 68 it was the INDEPENDENT PARTY that won the south with "states rights" and forced busing arguments. The Republicans didn't win the vote using either of those strategies in the era Atwater was talking about. Atwater, who was a REAGAN consultant, said that Reagan won on economics and strong defense and that the VRA was not an even an issue for southern whites in the 80s when the Republicans actually won the south.

    So Atwater talks about a supposed Southern Strategy that never materialized and would have been planned when he was 17 years old. The supposedly racist Southern whites didn't budge from Democrat in congress, and didn't vote Nixon even in '68. The southern white vote turned Republican in the 1980s when Atwater says they were arguing "fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes"

    Good God the levels people go through to whitewash history.

    Indeed, the Democrats have been whitewashing history since Reconstruction!
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    They were mostly narrow victories so they didn't show a rock solid southern hold. There were just enough people annoyed with Carter's buffoonery to tip the scale in those states. 1984 was a landslide due to Reagan's performance as president.
    OK, so we've gone from "The South was democratic until 1984" to "Well, OK, so Reagan carried all but one Confederate state in 1980, running against a Southern Governor, one of their own, but not by a landslide!" I guess that's progress.

    It should also be pointed out that during Nixon's supposed "Southern Strategy" the Democrats held a pretty tight hold on the South in congress. It would stand to reason that if the southern whites turned Republican from Nixon's supposed "Southern Strategy" that they would also be voting Republican in Congress, but they weren't. Even during the years when Reagan was at his most popular the Southern congressional reps were mostly Democrats.
    Sheesh, you're talking about a region that didn't even HAVE actual general elections for many offices in many areas including my dad's hometown. The Democratic primary was the election - there were no republicans seeking office in his rural county.

    All the "Southern Strategy" has to base its conclusion on was that Nixon won the south in one election in 1972, the demographics of all the other presidential and congressional elections from 1968 through the 80s show the South staying strongly Democrat.
    No, it's more than that. In the 1960s, the white vote was overwhelmingly democratic - nearly all (as in approaching 100%) of elected white men (which outside a few urban areas meant all elected officials) were democrats. Now it's just about reversed. Same for the black vote - flipped parties nearly completely.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Only by Northern liberals who don't understand other cultures, and have no interest in tolerance.
    You accept I guess why leaders across the South adopted that flag in the 1940s - 1960s? It was raised as a symbol of defiance against Federal efforts to end Jim Crow. I mean, that's just the history. If you were white standing along the route of some of those black civil rights marches waving the Rebel flag, no one had to guess whether you stood with MLK or George Wallace and his ilk. Wallace didn't pick the Rebel flag as a backdrop by accident, cause he liked the colors. That flag sent a signal to every white person in the South watching him - segregation now, etc. So what don't "Northern Liberals" understand?

    BTW, some of us southern boys understand our culture quite well, I've lived in it for 51 years. And what I understand is we have changed here. Those old racist attitudes aren't gone completely, but they're only held by bitter dead enders, losers, morons. It's why I so oppose this region holding onto such a symbol of those shameful days we should be proud to have put behind us.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    "The GOP" apologized for doing it? And since the assertion by the Democrats has long been that the southern whites turned Republican because of Nixon's strategy you would expect to see the southern white Democrats actually, your know, voting Republican The dude who apologized was thee years old when the "southern strategy" supposedly happening. Who was he getting his information from, Atwater? Atwater didn't say what the Democrats think he said.

    Atwater's "admission" was that a politician could gather southern votes by saying "n----r, n----r, n----r" in the 1950s but that by 1968 you won it by arguing states rights, etc. etc. but what does that actually mean? The Southern DEMOCRATS were winning the southern vote in '54 with "n----r, n----r, n----r", and in 68 it was the INDEPENDENT PARTY that won the south with "states rights" and forced busing arguments. The Republicans didn't win the vote using either of those strategies in the era Atwater was talking about. Atwater, who was a REAGAN consultant, said that Reagan won on economics and strong defense and that the VRA was not an even an issue for southern whites in the 80s when the Republicans actually won the south.

    So Atwater talks about a supposed Southern Strategy that never materialized and would have been planned when he was 17 years old. The supposedly racist Southern whites didn't budge from Democrat in congress, and didn't vote Nixon even in '68. The southern white vote turned Republican in the 1980s when Atwater says they were arguing "fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes"




    Indeed, the Democrats have been whitewashing history since Reconstruction!
    Fortunately the people are far too intelligent to buy into your rewriting of history. Nice try though. I'm sure you can find a few stragglers that'll buy your BS but that's about it.
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