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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Yet those who want to stop the Confederate flag from flying rely on polls to back up their silly "claim"
    Polls are effective measuring tools. Though you denounced them. Which is why I told you not to ever quote one then to support any position you hold.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Still upset that you are being proven wrong? WOW, just wow.
    That's funny. You've got an interesting understanding of evidence and what's needed to prove a case!

    If you have a source to cite, please do, but I'm sorry if I'm not going to accept "I read this article one time years ago in a Confederate magazine, and this is what I remember it saying. Promise!" as historical evidence.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Yet those who want to stop the Confederate flag from flying rely on polls to back up their silly "claim"
    How else does one gauge the public's opinion of a symbol like the Rebel Flag? Or does it not matter if the flag offends 10%, 30% or 90% of the population who associate that symbol with a defense of Jim Crow by the State of SC itself?

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Anyone who has taken a statistics course, EVER, knows the saying lies, damn lies, and statistics to be quite true
    OK, but understanding that statistics are only tools and can be misused like any other tool doesn't give us (skeptical readers) permission to just disregard evidence whenever it's convenient. If all you got is "lies, damn lies and statistics" it's just another version of "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

    What a person with an understanding of statistics and/or polling does is point out the flaws in the methodology, what was measured, how what was measured might not support the conclusions reached, etc. For polling, there are flaws with the question asked, who was asked it, how the pollsters adjusted the responses to reflect the actual population versus the population that answers a land line between 6 and 10pm on a weeknight, etc.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Yet those who want to stop the Confederate flag from flying rely on polls to back up their silly "claim"
    Actually that's only partly true. What many of us "rely on" is the documented recent history of the Rebel Flag.

    And then there are competing "claims" about what the flag represents. To be sure, many associate the flag with some vague idea of Southern Pride or heritage. Others, particularly blacks oppressed under Jim Crow laws that were being fought like heck when that flag was raised as a symbol of protest of efforts to end them, associate the flag with racism and a defense of white supremacy, because that interpretation is consistent with the documented history of the flag.

    So there are competing claims, and the way to resolve the question, "What does the Rebel flag represent" is a poll or polls. But you don't want to pay attention to polls because it doesn't support your "claim" about what the flag represents to most of us.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Just a hypothetical here - is it even remotely possible that SC officials say no evidence that the fires were hate crimes, simply because SC has no hate crime statutes? They are only 1 of a handful of states that doesn't recognize the "hate crime," so I was just wondering.

    No need for anybody to automatically assume I'm race baiting. Just asking a simple, hypothetical question that ran across the ticker tape in my brain when I read the NY Times Headline.
    I have no idea, since it wasn't SC officials saying this, it was the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (also known as the FBI).
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, but understanding that statistics are only tools and can be misused like any other tool doesn't give us (skeptical readers) permission to just disregard evidence whenever it's convenient. If all you got is "lies, damn lies and statistics" it's just another version of "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

    What a person with an understanding of statistics and/or polling does is point out the flaws in the methodology, what was measured, how what was measured might not support the conclusions reached, etc. For polling, there are flaws with the question asked, who was asked it, how the pollsters adjusted the responses to reflect the actual population versus the population that answers a land line between 6 and 10pm on a weeknight, etc.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Actually that's only partly true. What many of us "rely on" is the documented recent history of the Rebel Flag.

    And then there are competing "claims" about what the flag represents. To be sure, many associate the flag with some vague idea of Southern Pride or heritage. Others, particularly blacks oppressed under Jim Crow laws that were being fought like heck when that flag was raised as a symbol of protest of efforts to end them, associate the flag with racism and a defense of white supremacy, because that interpretation is consistent with the documented history of the flag.

    So there are competing claims, and the way to resolve the question, "What does the Rebel flag represent" is a poll or polls. But you don't want to pay attention to polls because it doesn't support your "claim" about what the flag represents to most of us.
    In other words you rely on the revisionist claims. Totally figures.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's funny. You've got an interesting understanding of evidence and what's needed to prove a case!

    If you have a source to cite, please do, but I'm sorry if I'm not going to accept "I read this article one time years ago in a Confederate magazine, and this is what I remember it saying. Promise!" as historical evidence.
    Too bad for you. The truth is out there, I don't think most here have grasped it yet.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Go back to school as fast as you can.
    Yeah, OK. But I've had plenty of schooling, and one of many things I learned is when you make an assertion, you're obligated to support it with a citation to a source or other objective evidence so that a neutral reader can evaluate your assertion and the evidence for it. So far all you've done is make baseless assertions. I'll take your "history" of the Civil War and the South including the KKK seriously when you can offer the first shred of evidence to back up your positions.

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