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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Yes, that's him. McVeigh. I don't subscribe to the notion that someone who does something evil has a mental illness, any more so than any other criminal. All violent criminals are disturbed in one way or another, or they wouldn't be violent criminals.

    The Ruby Ridge incident: There was no murder, except intentional homicide of one of the deputies (the first shot fired at a person killed the deputy).

    Weaver has a large weapons cache in his cabin. The whole family took up arms and set up in armed positions around the cabin. A firefight erupted. The siege lasted for days.

    The marshals were doing their job. They could've handled it better, but when you take up arms against the feds, you are assuming the risk you'll get shot. Even if you are a woman or teenager. They took a risk that they surely knew they were taking, and they were on the losing end....as all criminals are when they resist arrest from the feds. Weaver was finally arrested, after he placed his family in jeapordy.

    None of the marshals was found guilty of wrongdoing. There was no murder.

    Wacko country bumpkins. If Weaver had just gone with the arresting marshals, none of the killings would have happened. These people who hang out in the woods filled with hatred for the government are very dangerous. Bad things tend to happen whenever they're around.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    FYI the publications of the Daughters of the Confederacy and Sons of Confederate Veterans use actual journals and writings from Confederate soldiers to back them up. So where is the "contradiction" again?
    But you haven't cited them, we can't read those journals or read the articles based on them. All we know is what you say you remember from them. And a true historian would of course use journals from soldiers, but they'd hardly rely on those journals, from one side of a conflict, for the big picture.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Except they are. As I have said before, the ORIGINAL KKK was to protect the South, because the police force sure as heck wasn't doing anything about it.
    Historians say the first KKK was a violent organization formed to re-establish white supremacy after the war. Today they are a subversive, terrorist organization with the same belief in white supremacy.

    "..Today, many sources classify the Klan as a "subversive or terrorist organization".[25][26][27][28] In April 1997, FBI agents arrested four members of the True Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in Dallas for conspiracy to commit robbery and to blow up a natural gas processing plant.[29] In 1999, the city council of Charleston, South Carolina passed a resolution declaring the Klan to be a terrorist organization.[30] In 2004, a professor at the University of Louisville began a campaign to have the Klan declared a terrorist organization in order to ban it from campus.[31]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But you haven't cited them, we can't read those journals or read the articles based on them. All we know is what you say you remember from them. And a true historian would of course use journals from soldiers, but they'd hardly rely on those journals, from one side of a conflict, for the big picture.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    That has nothing to do with it...

    You made a statement.
    You need to prove your statement.
    Or admit it is nothing but an opinion based on anecdotal evidence.

    So which is it? A fact supported by evidence or just some anecdotal hogwash that mysteriously only you have access to?
    Lemme guess you dismiss history passed down from those who were there? WOW, just wow.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Yes, that's him. McVeigh. I don't subscribe to the notion that someone who does something evil has a mental illness, any more so than any other criminal. All violent criminals are disturbed in one way or another, or they wouldn't be violent criminals.
    From what I read in American Terrorist the guy had a full out nervous breakdown, even to the point of showing up at his grandfather's house close to the point of taking his own life. Something went wrong somewhere with that guy.

    The Ruby Ridge incident: There was no murder, except intentional homicide of one of the deputies (the first shot fired at a person killed the deputy).

    Weaver has a large weapons cache in his cabin. The whole family took up arms and set up in armed positions around the cabin. A firefight erupted. The siege lasted for days.

    The marshals were doing their job. They could've handled it better, but when you take up arms against the feds, you are assuming the risk you'll get shot. Even if you are a woman or teenager. They took a risk that they surely knew they were taking, and they were on the losing end....as all criminals are when they resist arrest from the feds. Weaver was finally arrested, after he placed his family in jeapordy.

    None of the marshals was found guilty of wrongdoing. There was no murder.

    Wacko country bumpkins. If Weaver had just gone with the arresting marshals, none of the killings would have happened. These people who hang out in the woods filled with hatred for the government are very dangerous. Bad things tend to happen whenever they're around.
    So killing the family dog was just them "doing their job?" Also what was the government's problem with the Weaver family anyway? I remember hearing about this whole thing but not the details except the feds went after this guy and he let the one fed have it, and the feds killed the son's dog. This combined with the Waco fiasco had everyone on edge I would guess.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Historians say the first KKK was a violent organization formed to re-establish white supremacy after the war. Today they are a subversive, terrorist organization with the same belief in white supremacy.

    "..Today, many sources classify the Klan as a "subversive or terrorist organization".[25][26][27][28] In April 1997, FBI agents arrested four members of the True Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in Dallas for conspiracy to commit robbery and to blow up a natural gas processing plant.[29] In 1999, the city council of Charleston, South Carolina passed a resolution declaring the Klan to be a terrorist organization.[30] In 2004, a professor at the University of Louisville began a campaign to have the Klan declared a terrorist organization in order to ban it from campus.[31]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
    Then who was protecting the Southern civilians if it wasn't the KKK? Try NO ONE!
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    As ashamed as I am about the occasional blatant case of racism in this country I'm even more ashamed by the constant attempts to stomp out free speech. This is crap about the flag is just plain Un-American.

    In the past few weeks we've raged against free speech in the flag flap, changed the definition of marriage and decided that "...established by the states" means exactly the same thing as "...established by the federal government". There's always going to be some stuff going on that some of us don't like. That's the way life goes. At some point we all need to grow the **** up and learn how to deal with things that bother us without forcing other people to give up their beliefs and freedoms.
    But your minimizing this. I agree completely that we all need to shoulder a little discomfort and mature to an understanding that we can't all agree or see things the same way and that's okay. But this goes far beyond normal life events and conflicts that we all need to just cope with. I know you've heard this comparison many times here and it's probably very easy to grow a little numb to it but if you can imagine for just a moment saying this same thing about the swastika. Would you feel differently if THAT was the symbol on a flag waiving over a state building?
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Lemme guess you dismiss history passed down from those who were there? WOW, just wow.
    No. I dismiss history given over the internet because you say so.
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    i love my nation very much. gotta protect her from terrorists and atheists
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    imo imprisonment for the flag burning offense is necessary. also, mandatory sentences for those that watch and do nothing to stop it.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I liked this post just because of this pick. Awesome movie and he was perfect
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