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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yeah, and you are incorrectly using "liberal" in the place of "authoritarian" and "conservative" in the place of "libertarian."
    Except that the only reason "libertarian" means that is that a lot of conservatives went there following the takeover of the GOP by expatriate liberals.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Except that the only reason "libertarian" means that is that a lot of conservatives went there following the takeover of the GOP by expatriate liberals.
    No, because words mean things.

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    LOL. Do you have a cite for this "history"?
    I believe it was in one of the United Daughters of the Confederacy magazines that I have received over the years by being a member. However the FACT remains that the FIRST KKK (the 3rd one, entirely different from the first) is the one that is still around today. Different groups, or clans, rose up all over the South during reconstruction to protect the South because anyone who knows Southern history knows that the police force wasn't gonna. They try and make it like it was a Greek name, meaning circle, but the Scottish tend to live in clans themselves. The South has a heavy Scottish population (a lot of them come together in the NC mountains for the Scottish Highland Games every year) and so the fact that the Scottish were behind the original KKK does not surprise me.
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So the recent black church burnings and brisk sales of the confederate flag are inconsequential?
    The ATF and the FBI said today that the church fires have nothing to do with racism. So, unless you have evidence to the contrary, the answer to that part of your question is yes. As for the sale of the flag, yes, that too is inconsequential. It is becoming a collectors item since it is being banned so people are buying it while it is available.

    However, if you are so concerned about it, what evidence do you have that the KKK or another hate group has anything to do with either one?
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I believe it was in one of the United Daughters of the Confederacy magazines that I have received over the years by being a member. However the FACT remains that the FIRST KKK (the 3rd one, entirely different from the first) is the one that is still around today. Different groups, or clans, rose up all over the South during reconstruction to protect the South because anyone who knows Southern history knows that the police force wasn't gonna. They try and make it like it was a Greek name, meaning circle, but the Scottish tend to live in clans themselves. The South has a heavy Scottish population (a lot of them come together in the NC mountains for the Scottish Highland Games every year) and so the fact that the Scottish were behind the original KKK does not surprise me.
    Here's one of many consistent histories of the early Klan. "Terrorists" and "terrorism" are words frequently used to describe them and their activities.

    Ku Klux Klan in the Reconstruction Era | New Georgia Encyclopedia

    It is impossible to untangle local vigilante violence from political terrorism by the organized Klan, but it is clear that attacks on blacks became common during 1868. Freedmen's Bureau agents reported 336 cases of murder or assault with intent to kill on freedmen across the state from January 1 through November 15 of 1868.

    The political terrorism was effective. While Republican gubernatorial candidate Rufus B. Bullock carried the state in April 1868 elections, by November Democratic presidential candidate Horatio Seymour was in the lead. In some counties the contrast was incredible. In John Reed's Oglethorpe County, 1,144 people had voted Republican in April, while only 116 dared to vote Republican in November when Reed's armed Klansmen surrounded the polls. In Columbia County armed Klansmen not only intimidated voters but even cowed federal soldiers sent to guard the polling place. Not surprisingly, while 1,222 votes had been cast in Columbia County for Republican governor Rufus Bullock in April, only one vote was cast for Republican presidential candidate Ulysses Grant in November 1868. Similar political terrorism and control of the polling places help account for Georgia's quick "redemption" and return to conservative white Democratic control by late 1871.
    Etc. Saying their purpose was limited to "protecting" the South doesn't seem to square with their actual history. I will say it's not surprising that the "United Daughters of the Confederacy" might want to play down that whole terrorism thing....

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Here's one of many consistent histories of the early Klan. "Terrorists" and "terrorism" are words frequently used to describe them and their activities.

    Ku Klux Klan in the Reconstruction Era | New Georgia Encyclopedia



    Etc. Saying their purpose was limited to "protecting" the South doesn't seem to square with their actual history. I will say it's not surprising that the "United Daughters of the Confederacy" might want to play down that whole terrorism thing....
    Yeah it doesn't surprise you that Confederate organizations protect the true heritage of the South huh?
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Yeah it doesn't surprise you that Confederate organizations protect the true heritage of the South huh?
    The true heritage of the KKK is as a terrorist organization. So I don't know what kind of propaganda the United Daughters of the Confederacy are putting out but if you remember correctly it's of a quite....misleading variety.

    But if you've got different history, please cite it!
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    Re: KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Yeah it doesn't surprise you that Confederate organizations protect the true heritage of the South huh?
    "True heritage of the south" = what the Klan was doing? And you wonder why people say that stupid Stars-N-Bars flag has racist connotations.
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