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That comment doesn't even begin to address the statement that it responded to. Just a standard, rightwing deflection.

The comment was right on. The statement was that Reagan's increase in payroll taxes didn't benefit the middle class so please tell me how putting more money into SS and Medicare to shore up the programs doesn't help the middle class?
 
Exactly right!

There's one unequivocal argument concerning supply side/trickle down that can't be disputed: It didn't work! :2wave:

If it did, after thirty years of it shouldn't we be awash in jobs and a stronger middle-class, with less poverty?

So then by your standards Govt. trickle down doesn't work either so why do so many support massive expansion including a new entitlement program? Sorry but the reality is people like you don't understand trickle down in the private sector at all. Only with trickle down are jobs created and thus the opportunity to grow in personal wealth. Govt. created jobs don't generate a damn thing but dependence and debt.
 
And conservatives don't prefer for liberals to think as themselves??

Liberals always know what others think so thinking for oneself only matters when it meets the personal beliefs of theirs. It really is a shame that so many don't understand the concept of personal choice and responsibility.
 
The comment was right on. The statement was that Reagan's increase in payroll taxes didn't benefit the middle class so please tell me how putting more money into SS and Medicare to shore up the programs doesn't help the middle class?

Do you ever get dizzy?
 
Under Bush I had no insurance, now I have insurance. Thanks Obama!

Great, how about a thank you for the subsidies the taxpayers like myself are providing. Guess you always expected others to provide you your personal responsibility issues. We need ACA to provide you insurance? Apparently cost and debt are irrelevant to you?
 
Liberals always know what others think so thinking for oneself only matters when it meets the personal beliefs of theirs. It really is a shame that so many don't understand the concept of personal choice and responsibility.

Everybody thinks they're right!!!!!!!!
 
Great, how about a thank you for the subsidies the taxpayers like myself are providing. Guess you always expected others to provide you your personal responsibility issues. We need ACA to provide you insurance? Apparently cost and debt are irrelevant to you?

Do guys your age still pay federal taxes?
 
The difference, you ask? It's called the Great Bush Recession and his tax cuts to the rich that we'll be paying for decades if not remedied. I love how selective the conservative view of history is. You know how much of that $18T debt belongs to dems since 1976? About 1/3. The rest is the result of the Reagan/Bush combined deficits and the compounding effects of interest costs they've generated. Conservative economics and fiscal policy have strangled this country over the past 30 years.


Typical liberalism/socialism where people like you are jealous of what others have and thus have to punish wealth creation. Tax cuts to the rich mean the rich get to keep more of what they earn and thus have the choice of where to spend it. That doesn't work for people like you who never understand what the rich do with their money and the jobs that money creates. The rich will never spend the way you or other socialists want thus have to be punished. You need to realize that the rich don't have enough money to fund the liberal spending appetite.

As for the debt. let's start with 1980

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


Carter 900 billion
Reagan 1.7 trillion
GHW Bush 1.4 trillion
Clinton 1.4 trillion
GW Bush 4.9 trillion
Obama 7.6 trillion

How is your math?
 
Today is the July 4, a Celebration of our Independence where we declared our independence from British rule. People died to give us the right of choice and that includes the right to make the wrong one. Liberals want everyone to believe as they do and thus tries to legislate personal responsibility issues. When are you going to learn that doesn't work?

Today is July 4th, that's news to me. :shock:

It was the liberals of the day who wanted to fight for independence, the conservative shop keepers not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine
 
I wondered when you would bring up Gruber; do you have a picture of Gruber on your mantle?

Amazing when another liberal gets caught saying in public what most liberal elite's actually think. Too bad good people continue to buy the liberal lies about spending in the name of compassion when the only compassion generated is to the liberal bureaucrats that run the program and create the dependence
 
So then by your standards Govt. trickle down doesn't work either so why do so many support massive expansion including a new entitlement program? Sorry but the reality is people like you don't understand trickle down in the private sector at all. Only with trickle down are jobs created and thus the opportunity to grow in personal wealth. Govt. created jobs don't generate a damn thing but dependence and debt.
Actually, I'm with you on the 'government trickle down' argument.

There's not only no need to have the current state of massive entitlements, and I find the current means based entitlement environment not only froth with fraud & disincentive, but highly destructive.

Reigning-in entitlements, while closing loopholes in the tax system, along with providing incentive to repatriate overseas corporate money, would put us on solid budget footing.

Actually, we are only need very little action to balance the current budget, and I'm at a loss to see why it isn't done!
 
Today is July 4th, that's news to me. :shock:

It was the liberals of the day who wanted to fight for independence, the conservative shop keepers not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

Exactly but now only when the people THINK the same way and CHOOSE the same way as people like you want. With freedom of choice comes responsibility a term you don't seem to understand when it comes to others even though in your own personal life you have to accept that responsibility.
 
Exactly but now only when the people THINK the same way and CHOOSE the same way as people like you want. With freedom of choice comes responsibility a term you don't seem to understand when it comes to others even though in your own personal life you have to accept that responsibility.

You don't even know what day it is
 
Exactly but now only when the people THINK the same way and CHOOSE the same way as people like you want. With freedom of choice comes responsibility a term you don't seem to understand when it comes to others even though in your own personal life you have to accept that responsibility.

You should understand there are people (human beings) who are destitute and unable to accept personal responsibility in this the richest nation on the face of the earth. It's immoral to let them stave and die. Conservatives are basically for themselves and noboby else. Now you are going to give me that line of crap where you will say conservatives donate more than liberals. Even if thats is true it not nearly enough.
 
What?

Millions specifically lost their health insurance. It is irrelevant if those that lost theirs later got different plans and different doctors they did not want.

Changing plans from one year to the next is not unusual in the individual market. Churn has always been the name of the game there.

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It is unusual that your plan is made illegal.

The ACA had a grandfather clause. If you wanted to stay in the plan you were in when it was signed, you (legally) could. Turns out lots of people didn't want to. Again, churn is the name of the game.
 
Great, how about a thank you for the subsidies the taxpayers like myself are providing. Guess you always expected others to provide you your personal responsibility issues. We need ACA to provide you insurance? Apparently cost and debt are irrelevant to you?

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. :kissy:
 
You should understand there are people (human beings) who are destitute and unable to accept personal responsibility in this the richest nation on the face of the earth. It's immoral to let them stave and die. Conservatives are basically for themselves and noboby else. Now you are going to give me that line of crap where you will say conservatives donate more than liberals. Even if thats is true it not nearly enough.

If almost 50% of the American people "are destitute and unable to accept personal responsibility" then it will no longer be 'the richest nation on the face of the earth'. In fact, with almost $20 trillion in debt and nothing to show for it, it is now the brokest nation on the face of the earth.
 
The ACA had a grandfather clause. If you wanted to stay in the plan you were in when it was signed, you (legally) could.

No, the plan was ruled illegal once the price changed. PPACA literally took millions of people off insurance.
 
So then by your standards Govt. trickle down doesn't work either so why do so many support massive expansion including a new entitlement program? Sorry but the reality is people like you don't understand trickle down in the private sector at all. Only with trickle down are jobs created and thus the opportunity to grow in personal wealth. Govt. created jobs don't generate a damn thing but dependence and debt.
While 'trickle down' may eventually help the working class the 'trickle up', or rather 'gushing up', has eroded any gains that trickle down effect may have.
 
No, the plan was ruled illegal once the price changed. PPACA literally took millions of people off insurance.

Substantially changing the benefit design (i.e., upping the cost-sharing by more than medical inflation + 15%) of a plan relinquishes grandfathered status, sure. Once you start substantially changing the benefits or the financial terms under which the enrollee gets to access them, it's not really the same plan anymore.

And no, the ACA didn't take "millions of people off insurance." Some people switched to a different plan (which, again, isn't unusual and most of them would've done anyway).
 
Once you start substantially changing the benefits or the financial terms under which the enrollee gets to access them, it's not really the same plan anymore.

Some people switched to a different plan (which, again, isn't unusual and most of them would've done anyway).

No, simply raising the price by a penny makes the plan illegal. The whole point of that was to take your plan and your doctor without literally saying out loud that they would do that.

The millions that lost their insurance because of PPACA did not desire that to happen.
 
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