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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The ND was 3-400 billion during the time period of that war. Pocket change compared to the Reagan disaster.
    Anything to prevent you from admitting you are wrong, 300-400 billion dollars paid for out of SS and Medicare doesn't bother you? The Reagan "disaster" gave us a peace dividend and 17 million jobs along with doubling the GDP. You call that a disaster? Show how little credibility you have

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    Anything to prevent you from admitting you are wrong, 300-400 billion dollars paid for out of SS and Medicare doesn't bother you? The Reagan "disaster" gave us a peace dividend and 17 million jobs along with doubling the GDP. You call that a disaster? Show how little credibility you have
    What the hell is wrong with you man. Did you forget your meds this morning. First of all the entire ND during the period of the Vietnam conflict was 3-400 billion. For a war that I just finished telling you was completely unnecessary, and as such that there was no proper way to pay for it. That's number one. Secondly, I'm no advocate of taking money out of our social programs to pay for war, ever!! That would be something you war mongers would support. As for credibility, that ended with our chief lender status, destroyed by the fantastic sum of money that that old fart borrowed and strapped upon the backs of Americans, setting an example before all presidents that followed him to just whip out the MasterCard. Good grief, I believe your getting senile.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What the hell is wrong with you man. Did you forget your meds this morning. First of all the entire ND during the period of the Vietnam conflict was 3-400 billion. For a war that I just finished telling you was completely unnecessary, and as such that there was no proper way to pay for it. That's number one. Secondly, I'm no advocate of taking money out of our social programs to pay for war, ever!! That would be something you war mongers would support. As for credibility, that ended with our chief lender status, destroyed by the fantastic sum of money that that old fart borrowed and strapped upon the backs of Americans, setting an example before all presidents that followed him to just whip out the MasterCard. Good grief, I believe your getting senile.
    You are the one that stated the 1.7 trillion dollar Reagan debt was outrageous. The results of that spending didn't matter, nor does it apparently matter that LBJ paid for the Vietnam War out of SS and Medicare to reduce the deficits and debt. You have no understanding of return on investment nor apparently the role of the Federal Govt. which isn't to run a surplus. If there is a surplus we are taxed too much which will never happen with bureaucrats who will always spend every dime they are given.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are the one that stated the 1.7 trillion dollar Reagan debt was outrageous. The results of that spending didn't matter, nor does it apparently matter that LBJ paid for the Vietnam War out of SS and Medicare to reduce the deficits and debt. You have no understanding of return on investment nor apparently the role of the Federal Govt. which isn't to run a surplus. If there is a surplus we are taxed too much which will never happen with bureaucrats who will always spend every dime they are given.
    And why doesn't it matter that LBJ used moneys from SS and Medicare to pay for an unnecessary war. How many times have I got to drill you with that, hmm? And another thing, 39 presidents ran the United States federal government over a period of 200 years at an accumulated debt of 900 billion dollars, Mr. Smith goes to Washington, and in 8 short years single handedly borrows 2 trillion ****ing dollars, and you've got the freak on a pedestal praised as the best president in history. You make ZERO sense dude!!
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet it was paid for by SS and Medicare funds which of course made the deficit and debt look better just like all Presidents EXCEPT Reagan did afterwards. Reagan would have done it too but Carter left it almost broke thus the increase in FICA taxes, another tax you don't understand
    Funniest thing, after the Kennedy/Johnson years, the debt had only gone up $57b (that's billion) but after the Reagan/Bush years it had gone up $3.4T (that's trillion). What're you gonna claim, con, that that was all due to inflation? IOW, it went up 60x faster in those 12 years than it had in that earlier 8 year period. And that's what rightwinger, Reagan apologists call "success." This is why economists talk about the transition of the US from a creditor to a chronic debtor nation. Meanwhile our capitalist overlords saw their wealth skyrocket while the middle class shrank. MORE RIGHTWING SUCCESS!!! Orwell had nothing on the neo-cons and supply-siders and their enablers for perversion of the language.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And why doesn't it matter that LBJ used moneys from SS and Medicare to pay for an unnecessary war. How many times have I got to drill you with that, hmm? And another thing, 39 presidents ran the United States federal government over a period of 200 years at an accumulated debt of 900 billion dollars, Mr. Smith goes to Washington, and in 8 short years single handedly borrows 2 trillion ****ing dollars, and you've got the freak on a pedestal praised as the best president in history. You make ZERO sense dude!!
    So you think WWI and WWII as well as the Korean War didn't run a deficit and add to the debt? Amazingly you simply don't have a clue

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It appears that all the victories last week have boosted Obama's approval rating to 50% for the 1st time since 2013. I guess more of us are proud to be an American.



    Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week - CNNPolitics.com
    The poll you showed was the most positive poll about Obama. Another poll 1 day later showed him at only 45%. Another poll 3 days later had his approval at only 44%. The best approach instead of going off of just one poll is to average polls together which is what realclearpolitics.com does.

    Average polls show Obama at 46.4% approval and 49.6% disapproval. His approval bounces around all the time. Since the beginning of 2009 Obama's Approval has ranged from 54% to 40%. Right now he is somewhere in the middle.
    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Funniest thing, after the Kennedy/Johnson years, the debt had only gone up $57b (that's billion) but after the Reagan/Bush years it had gone up $3.4T (that's trillion). What're you gonna claim, con, that that was all due to inflation? IOW, it went up 60x faster in those 12 years than it had in that earlier 8 year period. And that's what rightwinger, Reagan apologists call "success."
    Yes, but again you don't seem to get it, SS and Medicare money was used to pay for the Vietnam war along with anything else the President wanted because people weren't retiring and they had a slush fund. Now we are trillions in unfunded liabilities which you don't understand on top of the 18.2 trillion dollar debt. I can tell you what we got for the 1.7 trillion Reagan debt and I know of no one who would say that wasn't a good return on investment but you cannot tell me what we got for the 7.6 trillion Obama has added to the debt? It really is a shame how easily you are swayed by rhetoric and never dig deep into the actual results.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Very easy not to have a deficit or debt when you use trust fund money from SS and Medicare to pay for it.
    You mean how Reagan funded his massive, MASSIVE miiitary spending. Diffference is, Johnson paid for his with taxes the way we've always managed to finance our excess military spending. Reagan and Bush II just let it pile up and pile up. Bush II even had his republican control Congress keep the massive spending off-budget by having the money provided always by "emergency appropriations." That's where most at least half of his massive $1.4T 2009 deficit came from when one of the first things President Obama did after taking office is order all that spending be shown.


    You don't get it and never will, SS and Medicare are unfunded liabilities because the money was used for everything other than SS and Medicare thus are part of the debt which you refuse to acknowledge or apparently understand. I dare you to research SS and the unified budget under LBJ
    Your ignorance knows no limits. The SS trust fund is fully funded from two sources: contributions (FICA and SE taxes) and interest income from the "intragovernmental" borrowing in the form of T-bills bought by the the SS trust fund. Medicare is about 80% funded from taxes and the rest made up out of general revenues. You've even used the term intergovernmental borrowing and it's now obvious you didn't even know what that meant.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Now we are trillions in unfunded liabilities which you don't understand on top of the 18.2 trillion dollar debt.
    First a future program expense only gets added to the debt if it remains unfunded. It only remains unfunded because one party refuses to fund it. That party hopes that tactic is the way to destroy that program instead of just voting it out of existence which would be the end of that party's existence if it tried to do so. That's the sort of cowardice, sneakery and general scumminess that the party you support is based entirely on.

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