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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Until Reagan, the United States held its head high, at least in terms of fiscal responsibility, and as the greatest in lender status. Not only did Reagan flush that down the toilet, he told every president that followed him that debt isn't bad, just borrow and spend until your hearts content. And yet the democrats are constantly ridiculed as the tax and spend party. Tax and spend is better than borrow and spend, by any measure.
    Voted up but just for accuracy sake, all those deficit amounts in conservative's post are bogus. He used that favorite and totally dishonest rightwing tactic (but I repeat myself) of using the inauguration dates of each of those presidents which has no relationship whatsoever with which budgets belong to which president. It's a perversion of the reality and a scam they've been trying to get away with ever since BushII blew all other contenders out in 2009 with a whopping $1.4T which is still the largest single one year deficit in history (and let's hope forever unless republicans get control of the WH and Congress as they did in 2001.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    correcting the "conservative" record (or is it a recording by now?):

    Here is the completely bogus debt fantasy that I've created by violating every convention of how budgets are created and by which president. It's pathetic but it's all I've got:

    Reagan 1.7 trillion
    GHW Bush 1.4 trillion
    Clinton 1.4 trillion
    GW Bush 4.9 trillion
    Obama 7.6 trillion
    Another fix for accuracy at no charge. Again, you're welcome

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    Really? so you believe a 2.6 trillion dollar debt on a 5.6 trillion dollar economy is insolvency? Do you even know what insolvency is? Hard to insolvent when you can print money, don't you think?
    It was the beginning of a failed republican moronic (but, again, I repeat myself) fiscal idea which George W. "The Catastrophe" Bush doubled down on and nearly destroyed this country's economy.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    How do you think the Vietnam War was paid for and do you endorse that technique?
    At least that horrible war (which rightwingers like you pushed for at the time and still pretend "we could have won it, if only we'd used nukes" or some such insane rubbish) was paid for. The national debt from JFK's first budget year to LBJ's last increased only $55B or 18.5%. Reagan's increase was $1.9T was increase 200% and Bush II's was $6.1T was a 103% increase. Right now, Obama's increase comes to about 50% from what BushII left behind.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you think the Vietnam War was paid for and do you endorse that technique? You think LBJ was right? Did LBJ and Congress set the example for other Presidents in using SS and Medicare funds for that war? What exactly do you think the role of the Federal Govt. is? Bush's approval rating was misguided and based upon a war that the surge won and now a peace that Obama has lost. I know you have no understanding of evil and world affairs but the reality is the situation in Iraq is worse today than when Bush left office and the world is less safe today than when Bush left office. The liberal ignorance and support for incompetence is staggering.
    Btw, the Vietnam war was another wholly unnecessary war, and as such, there is no proper way to pay for it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    correcting the "conservative" record (or is it a recording by now?):



    Another fix for accuracy at no charge. Again, you're welcome

    Yep, budgets vs. spending is another topic neither of you understand. The debt and deficit numbers come directly from the Bank Account of the United States. Neither of you understand that. For some reason you ignore Treasury data and thus ignore the debt service the taxpayers pay on that data. Suggest you both take a road trip to DC and show the Treasury where they are wrong. Let me know the outcome.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    It was the beginning of a failed republican moronic (but, again, I repeat myself) fiscal idea which George W. "The Catastrophe" Bush doubled down on and nearly destroyed this country's economy.
    Thankfully Obama has saved us, 7.6 trillion in debt, 2.8 trillion in GDP growth of which 842 billion was stimulus, record numbers of discouraged workers, and the loss of Congress, a true liberal success story.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Btw, the Vietnam war was another wholly unnecessary war, and as such, there is no proper way to pay for it.
    Yet it was paid for by SS and Medicare funds which of course made the deficit and debt look better just like all Presidents EXCEPT Reagan did afterwards. Reagan would have done it too but Carter left it almost broke thus the increase in FICA taxes, another tax you don't understand

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    At least that horrible war (which rightwingers like you pushed for at the time and still pretend "we could have won it, if only we'd used nukes" or some such insane rubbish) was paid for. The national debt from JFK's first budget year to LBJ's last increased only $55B or 18.5%. Reagan's increase was $1.9T was increase 200% and Bush II's was $6.1T was a 103% increase. Right now, Obama's increase comes to about 50% from what BushII left behind.
    Very easy not to have a deficit or debt when you use trust fund money from SS and Medicare to pay for it. You don't get it and never will, SS and Medicare are unfunded liabilities because the money was used for everything other than SS and Medicare thus are part of the debt which you refuse to acknowledge or apparently understand. I dare you to research SS and the unified budget under LBJ

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet it was paid for by SS and Medicare funds which of course made the deficit and debt look better just like all Presidents EXCEPT Reagan did afterwards. Reagan would have done it too but Carter left it almost broke thus the increase in FICA taxes, another tax you don't understand
    The ND was 3-400 billion during the time period of that war. Pocket change compared to the Reagan disaster.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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