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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    Then you judge by those liberal standards that Gruber was talking about, thinking with your heart and not your brain. Actual results matter and Obama is making Jimmy Carter look good. You made the statement that Obama was one of our greatest Presidents so the logical question is by what standards?
    You're making sweeping generalizations based on no evidence whatsoever. Don't try to pretend that there's a "correct" opinion about Obama (or a correct opinion about anything, for that matter).
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    You're making sweeping generalizations based on no evidence whatsoever. Don't try to pretend that there's a "correct" opinion about Obama (or a correct opinion about anything, for that matter).
    You made a statement that you cannot back up showing that you think only with your heart and results don't matter. I provide actual data that is verifiable and what you do is post your opinions based upon your feelings

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    You made a statement that you cannot back up showing that you think only with your heart and results don't matter. I provide actual data that is verifiable and what you do is post your opinions based upon your feelings
    I elaborated on my position earlier in the thread if you didn't read it:

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    All of what you've stated is true. Obama has made significant progress in other areas: the stimulus package was an essential part of recovery from the recession, amnesty for illegal immigrants was a much needed humanitarian solution, ending the Iraq War was an improvement over Bush, while it wasn't the ideal reform, ACA was a huge improvement over our previous antiquated healthcare system, his foreign policy towards Cuba is the first rational approach in decades, he's the first president in favor of equal marriage rights for gays, he's in favor of free community college, actually holds a sane position on marijuana and scaling back the drug war in general, and would've been a lot more productive if not for congressional gridlock. His foreign policy in general, including a lack of respect for civil liberties, is one of his largest flaws, but overall, he's been one of our most productive presidents.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I elaborated on my position earlier in the thread if you didn't read it:
    Just as I thought you have no idea what you are talking about and results don't matter. I am not going there again but if the Obama record was so good he wouldn't have lost the Congress. The stimulus was a disaster and with that stimulus the recovery was the worst in history and as a result he has added 7.6 trillion to the debt. The U-6 rate is still 10.8% but to a liberal that is a success? He didn't end the Iraq War the Status of Forces Agreement in November 2008 did, but what Obama did was lose the peace or are conditions better in Iraq today than they were when Obama took office? ACA? LOL, ok, just like a socialist that has no problem spending someone else's money. Is that what you were taught growing up that it was ok to take money from someone else for your own personal responsibility issues? I could go on but that is nothing but a waste of time as nothing is going to change your mind including the 18.2 trillion dollar debt

    I cannot believe how nave, gullible, poorly informed and such low standards/expectations liberals are. I guess I will never understand people like you

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    Just as I thought you have no idea what you are talking about and results don't matter. I am not going there again but if the Obama record was so good he wouldn't have lost the Congress. The stimulus was a disaster and with that stimulus the recovery was the worst in history and as a result he has added 7.6 trillion to the debt. The U-6 rate is still 10.8% but to a liberal that is a success? He didn't end the Iraq War the Status of Forces Agreement in November 2008 did, but what Obama did was lose the peace or are conditions better in Iraq today than they were when Obama took office? ACA? LOL, ok, just like a socialist that has no problem spending someone else's money. Is that what you were taught growing up that it was ok to take money from someone else for your own personal responsibility issues? I could go on but that is nothing but a waste of time as nothing is going to change your mind including the 18.2 trillion dollar debt

    I cannot believe how nave, gullible, poorly informed and such low standards/expectations liberals are. I guess I will never understand people like you
    You're right in that you're not going to change my mind, but you could drop the condescension. First of all, I'm not a liberal by any means, so don't think that you don't understand liberalism because you don't understand my position. Regarding the Stimulus, it has stimulated (no pun intended) a recovery from the recession. It had the worst PR campaign in history on the administration's part, so Obama doesn't receive credit for it. The 'peace' in Iraq was automatically lost in Iraq when Bush decided to invade the country for no reason. For all your claims that you use 'reason' and 'evidence' to support your beliefs, your refutation against the ACA makes no sense. Do you not understand the concept of taxation funding government programs? Debt is not a major issue. If the government runs a balanced budget by essentially running like a business, it deprives citizens of their most basic rights to a decent life through cutting social spending to the bare bone. Government is elected democratically, and is therefore run completely differently than businesses or household paychecks.

    However, we're just rehashing the same old points of the past 7 years since Obama was elected, so there's really no point in continuing here.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interesting how you ignore reality as usual, budget numbers are irrelevant as it is spending that counts, budget spending AND intergovt. holdings. You really need a civics class
    You just dig in on the ignorance with each one of your responses, con. A sensible person would stop digging but I think we can count on you to keep digging. I didn't give you "budget numbers." I gave you actual deficit/surplus numbers. But, of course, you're so desperate you have to try to throw any crap up and hope that it sticks. I'd return the insult about civic class but actually you need to start all over at the beginning of elementary school to have a chance at understanding anything (not to mention get your mind wiped clean of all the rightwing sewage you've filled it with over the years).

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    However, we're just rehashing the same old points of the past 7 years since Obama was elected, so there's really no point in continuing here.
    Our "con" is some kind of piece o' work. I've seen so many of his ilk and it's amazing to watch them spin the disinformation they've ingested from the pukefunnel of rightwing lies.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I gave you the link to the Treasury data so would you please point out the four straight years of Clinton surpluses? Thanks
    I knew you wouldn't accept the data even from a very conservative source because to do so would destroy the mythology you've accepted. Here's the actual historical CBO data of deficits/surpluses for the last 4 years of Clinton's presidency (apologies if the columns don't line up neatly; this happens a lot when spread sheet documents get copied and pasted):

    Table H-1.
    Revenues, Outlays, Deficits, Surpluses, and Debt Held by the Public Since 1974


    Revenue Outlays

    1998 1,721.7 1,652.5
    1999 1,827.5 1,701.8
    2000 2,025.2 1,789.0
    2001 1,991.1 1,862.8

    Numbers represent billions. Because I know arithmetic is not your thing, I'll do it for you: 1998, $69.2B surplus; 1999, $125.7B surplus; 2000, $236.2B surplus; 2001, $128.3B surplus.

    Here's a link to the source even though I know you will never go to it: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...-AppendixH.pdf It's on page 156

    Like I said before, I'm more than happy to keep humiliating you as long as you want to keep being humiliated. You seem to need it.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only in the liberal world where people like you buy the Obama narrative.
    So now your calling the Treasury's numbers (that you misused) the "Obama narrative." You're now chasing your own tail and I couldn't be enjoying it more.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Talk about biased ignorance. Democrats had control of the Congress from January 2007 to January 2011 and what exactly did we get? Trillions added to the debt, 16 million unemployed/discouraged, stagnant GDP.
    Ah,the last ditch, desperation move of every rightwinger I've ever dealth with: when nothing else works, blame the other side for the disaster the rightwing scumbag politicians created and whom we (i.e., the rightwinger in question) voted for with gusto and supported all the way along the road to hell. By 2007 the Bush Disaster was set in stone and with his idiotic, incompetent ass in the WH the Dems could not override any veto and Senate republicans using the filibuster to keep anything Bush didn't want from ever reaching his desk. When Obama was elected and had a filibuster proof Senate, we finally got enough fixed to get the economy going and thanks to tea bagger morons on the republican side who tried to shut down the government and get us to default, put Boehner and McConnell in such a bad position that he (Obama) finally was able to get much needed tax increases on the wealthy to start chopping down the deficits.

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