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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    This is a good sign that the presidency will stay in the hands of the Democrats in 2016. Nevertheless, Obama has had a pretty mixed record. He's probably one of our best presidents, which says something about the low standards set by previous presidents.
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Obama promised increased whistleblower protection, but has in fact prosecuted more whistleblowers than any predecessor. Obama promised the most transparent presidency in history, but in fact has been the least. Obama promised that in contrast to Bush, he was going to talk to our "enemy's". In fact he has bombed more of them, conducted more regime change, and has put the predictor drone program on steroids. Under Obama's watch, the unconstitutional (read: illegal) programs of the NSA increased. Under Obama's watch the Middle East has gone from a fire under control to an out of control blaze and under Obama's watch, Russia and China are forging closer ties and pushing back on the US!!!!! And I've not listed everything.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Well, sure, if the fact that Clinton had set us on a course of debt reduction with 4 straight years of surpluses just before Bush came in and he and the republicans immediately destroyed. It also ignores the fact that although the first two years of Obama's presidency continued with trillion dollar deficits (in the midst of at least the second worst economic collapse in this country's history) deficits have dropped faster than at any time since WWII (when tax rates had the highest bracket at 90 percent). Republicans have successfully blocked almost every effort to use the tax system (as was done in the post-war period) to correct those deficits which could have put the country on long term fiscal stability. No. The two parties are not at all equal on this issue despite that simplistic urge of so many to make that claim.
    But I never said that they are equal. And, are you denying that Clinton added two trillion to the ND??
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It appears that all the victories last week have boosted Obama's approval rating to 50% for the 1st time since 2013. I guess more of us are proud to be an American.



    Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week - CNNPolitics.com


    Heh.


    Wait a few weeks, I expect that will change dramatically.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Heh.


    Wait a few weeks, I expect that will change dramatically.
    True enough. But my pride in America has never been based on anything a president has done anyway, that seems odd to me.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Nevertheless, Obama has had a pretty mixed record. He's probably one of our best presidents, which says something about the low standards set by previous presidents.
    It can't be ignored that since 2011 he's had the worst Congress to deal with since before the Civil War and maybe ever.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Heh.


    Wait a few weeks, I expect that will change dramatically.
    Based on what? Rightwing wishful thinking?

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Based on what?
    Is it going to go up, stay the same, or decrease?

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Obama promised increased whistleblower protection, but has in fact prosecuted more whistleblowers than any predecessor. Obama promised the most transparent presidency in history, but in fact has been the least. Obama promised that in contrast to Bush, he was going to talk to our "enemy's". In fact he has bombed more of them, conducted more regime change, and has put the predictor drone program on steroids. Under Obama's watch, the unconstitutional (read: illegal) programs of the NSA increased. Under Obama's watch the Middle East has gone from a fire under control to an out of control blaze and under Obama's watch, Russia and China are forging closer ties and pushing back on the US!!!!! And I've not listed everything.
    All of what you've stated is true. Obama has made significant progress in other areas: the stimulus package was an essential part of recovery from the recession, amnesty for illegal immigrants was a much needed humanitarian solution, ending the Iraq War was an improvement over Bush, while it wasn't the ideal reform, ACA was a huge improvement over our previous antiquated healthcare system, his foreign policy towards Cuba is the first rational approach in decades, he's the first president in favor of equal marriage rights for gays, he's in favor of free community college, actually holds a sane position on marijuana and scaling back the drug war in general, and would've been a lot more productive if not for congressional gridlock. His foreign policy in general, including a lack of respect for civil liberties, is one of his largest flaws, but overall, he's been one of our most productive presidents.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    All of what you've stated is true. Obama has made significant progress in other areas: the stimulus package was an essential part of recovery from the recession, amnesty for illegal immigrants was a much needed humanitarian solution, ending the Iraq War was an improvement over Bush, while it wasn't the ideal reform, ACA was a huge improvement over our previous antiquated healthcare system, his foreign policy towards Cuba is the first rational approach in decades, he's the first president in favor of equal marriage rights for gays, he's in favor of free community college, actually holds a sane position on marijuana and scaling back the drug war in general, and would've been a lot more productive if not for congressional gridlock. His foreign policy in general, including a lack of respect for civil liberties, is one of his largest flaws, but overall, he's been one of our most productive presidents.
    Oh, I could make a similar list to my list of criticisms, of Obama accomplishments, undoubtedly. But that's why I said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And for this beholder, civil liberties are paramount, period!!!!!!! And second to that, I want my president to be a peace maker abroad, as such, he's been a failure at both. So for this beholder, he won't be on the top of the list.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But I never said that they are equal. And, are you denying that Clinton added two trillion to the ND??
    Here are the budget numbers for Clinton budgets (FY1994-2001, numbers are billions; a "-" sign indicates budget surpluses):

    1994 203.18
    1995 163.95
    1996 107.43
    1997 21.89
    1998 -69.27
    1999 -125.61
    2000 -236.24
    2001 -128.23

    Here's the source: Government Spending MultiYear Download for United States 1994-2020 - Federal State Local

    Here's the result of the arithmetic (rounding to the billion): $85 Net surplus for his 8 years in office. The reason the debt continued to go up was the fact that interest on the debt continued to add to the previously created debt, all but $300B, was from the Reagan tax cuts and profligate spending. No doubt you will refuse to believe any of these hard, cold facts but that doesn't change anything.

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