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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    but since it is not a tax, the case can go forward, but because it is a tax, congress has the power to tax.
    It's not a tax but it is a tax? Wow. It's like a word scramble on the fridge. BTW, did you ever see my question to you on "consent?" If so, I wonder why you decided not to address it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    It's not a tax but it is a tax?

    BTW, did you ever see my question to you on "consent?"
    Did you not read the case?

    Roberts first claims the law is unconstitutional on the commerce clause question. Roberts then claimed that because it is not a tax the case can go forward (tax cases have to happen only after someone has paid the tax), he then said that because this is a tax, and that congress has taxing powers, the law is constitutional.

    Are you that hay guy? Which post number did you ask about "consent"?

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You left out the directly addressing it part. I appreciate you admitting defeat.
    If I spoke any more directly they would be placing you six feet underground right at this very moment.

    You never explained the relevance of your CONSENT comments. And still have not done so rejecting actual debate in favor of childish attacks.
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    Post #328 will cure all your ills.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Did you not read the case?
    Roberts first claims the law is unconstitutional on the commerce clause question. Roberts then claimed that because it is not a tax the case can go forward (tax cases have to happen only after someone has paid the tax), he then said that because this is a tax, and that congress has taxing powers, the law is constitutional.
    I sure did read it and I'd recommend that you do so as well. What Roberts wrote was a single opinion on the commerce clause issue. Since he did not join the other 4 rightwing justices in their opinion that the law was unconstitutional on the commerce clause basis it was irrelevant as far as a ruling goes. The court was given 3 arguments by the government for why the PPACA was constitutional. All it had to do was pick one and it did so. You ought to be careful with your snarkiness. As for the question about consent, you made a comment (I think it was to "haymarket") to the effect that people were being forced to pay for health insurance without their consent and I pointed out that no one asked my consent to pay for their medical bills when they didn't buy insurance or bought inadequate insurance and ended up being unable to pay their bills thus passing their medical expenses on to people who did buy insurance or to the government for their care. I'd also point out that it would be absurd to require that we get individual consent to pay taxes (remember, the mandate was ruled to be constitutional under Congress's taxing authority). Who wouldn't like that little arrangement. You live in a society and are not a sovereign citizen despite the libertoonian nonsense who can pick and choose which laws apply to you and which don't.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    You never explained the relevance of your CONSENT comments. And still have not done so rejecting actual debate in favor of childish attacks.
    She's a bit, let's say, scrambled in her explanations of things. I sense that ineffable whiff of libertoonianism which dwells in the hinterlands of absurdity.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Just like I said. You used the false method rightwing method of inauguration dates not the actual method the the nation uses in its accounting system and then you charge me with bias? That's the famous rightwing symptom called "projection." The really funny thing is how you all always think you're clever and no one will check your claims out. When we do and discover the deception then you pull the silliness that you did above. It's so ridiculously predictable.

    No, I used actual results, those are the numbers the President INHERITED but like all economically challenged liberals you believe budgets are actual spending and you hold Republicans to a different standard. Only in the liberal world is the President(Republican) responsible for the entire yearly debt when in office from Oct-January. It is interesting how results never matter and arrogance takes over. Liberalism is a failure, total and complete. Your passion for it says a lot about you

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    What Roberts wrote was a single opinion on the commerce clause issue.

    Since he did not join the other 4 rightwing justices in their opinion that the law was unconstitutional on the commerce clause basis it was irrelevant as far as a ruling goes.

    As for the question about consent, you made a comment (I think it was to "haymarket") to the effect that people were being forced to pay for health insurance without their consent and I pointed out that no one asked my consent to pay for their medical bills when they didn't buy insurance or bought inadequate insurance and ended up being unable to pay their bills thus passing their medical expenses on to people who did buy insurance or to the government for their care.
    The other justices joined him in that part, which makes it precedent.

    But you obviously consent to PPACA with your vapid support.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    You stiil haven't provided us with the article and clause in the Constitution which prohibits Congress from creating a government funded health care system. You've proved yet again that the rightwing not only doesn't know what's in the Constitution it also doesn't know what not in it.
    Congress can do whatever it wants to do but the intent of our Founders is being ignored. Our Founders put the power closest to the people because they understood that power corrupts. That local power is state and local governments which is where healthcare belongs. Further bipartisan support for legislation is the best legislation, not partisan legislation like ACA, how many Republicans voted for ACA? But I do thank you for ACA as it led to loss of Congress and state houses

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The founders would role over in their graves if they knew the size and scope our defense spending today. Most of them didn't even like the idea of a standing army and preferred the country be defended by citizen militias.
    Our defense spending? How about the size of the govt. in general and the national debt? Defense spending today is between 600-700 billion dollars out of the 3.9 TRILLION Dollar budget Obama proposed. Doesn't appear that you have the same outrage over the rest of the spending as you do defense.

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