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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    I know conservatives don't know what's in the Constitution but there's this preamble thingy that gives the reasons for creating the document and along with "provide for the common defense" there's "promote the general welfare" in it. Those are both pretty broad mandates. Article I goes on to give Congress the power to create laws. There's at least as much justification for creating a health care system as there is for creating a standing professional army, navy (but no air force since that's definitely not in there, right?).
    Yes, got it, provide and promote mean exactly the same thing, brilliant. Our Founders got it, when will you

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Much better than yours. Your numbers above are all wrong and I know why: you didn't go by fiscal years. The first FY of a new president doesn't begin until Oct. 1 not the day he's inaugurated. That would mean that Carter's is only $300B, Reagan $1.9T, Bush I $1.7T, Clinton $1.2T, BushII $6.1T and Obama to date is $6.2T. The grand totals by party comes to $9.7T republicans to $7.7T for democrats. But that's also not really accurate because the interest on previously created debt does eventually show up on later presidents "score card." When the interest of the first term of the two term presidents is removed from the equation then the amounts come to about $7.2T for republicans and $4.2 for dems.
    That is true, on January 21, 2001 when Bush took office the debt was 5.7 trillion dollars and on January 21, 2009 when he left office it was 10.6 trillion which is 4.9 trillion. Your bias and ignorance is staggering. Learn how to do research and actually get the data on the links. Getting rather tired of making liberals look foolish only to have actual data ignored trumped by ideology and feelings. It is also quite interesting that Bush didn't have a budget for 2009 until Obama signed it in March. Figures don't lie but liars do figure.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Any response that does not directly address this will be admission of defeat. I dare you to admit defeat.
    You want this addressed directly? Sure. This will be as direct as a Mack truck at ninety miles per hour making contact with your sub-compact.

    You were NOT asked for a legal opinion. The quote you provided from me clearly states that it is not a legal question. I made that clear. You brought up the idea of CONSENT in this discussion and I asked you very DIRECTLY what the heck CONSENT has to do with a national program passed by the peoples government for the citizenry. And you have been unable to explain that.

    You can dare me to admit defeat all day. In order to make that plea a legitimate one, you first have to engage in the discussion and actually cause my defeat. And so far you have not even taken the first baby step towards that end.

    You can begin by explaining what CONSENT - the point you raised regrading the health care issue - has to do with this.

    I am glad to discuss things with other posters here. Lets see you attempt to begin to do that by explaining your own comment that I originally posted about.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    What possible difference do the poll numbers of a sitting POTUS who is on his last term?

    None whatsoever.

    His numbers could be through the roof or in the basement - what possible difference does it make?
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You want this addressed directly? Sure.
    You left out the directly addressing it part. I appreciate you admitting defeat.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is true, on January 21, 2001 when Bush took office the debt was 5.7 trillion dollars and on January 21, 2009 when he left office it was 10.6 trillion which is 4.9 trillion. Your bias and ignorance is staggering. Learn how to do research and actually get the data on the links. Getting rather tired of making liberals look foolish only to have actual data ignored trumped by ideology and feelings. It is also quite interesting that Bush didn't have a budget for 2009 until Obama signed it in March. Figures don't lie but liars do figure.
    Just like I said. You used the false method rightwing method of inauguration dates not the actual method the the nation uses in its accounting system and then you charge me with bias? That's the famous rightwing symptom called "projection." The really funny thing is how you all always think you're clever and no one will check your claims out. When we do and discover the deception then you pull the silliness that you did above. It's so ridiculously predictable.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, got it, provide and promote mean exactly the same thing, brilliant. Our Founders got it, when will you
    You stiil haven't provided us with the article and clause in the Constitution which prohibits Congress from creating a government funded health care system. You've proved yet again that the rightwing not only doesn't know what's in the Constitution it also doesn't know what not in it.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    You stiil haven't provided us with the article and clause in the Constitution which prohibits Congress from creating a government funded health care system.
    The SCOTUS ruling said PPACA was unconstitutional on commerce clause grounds.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The SCOTUS ruling said PPACA was unconstitutional on commerce clause grounds.
    Well, then the PPACA must not exist anymore. And, yet it miraculously does exist, intact and now the victor in three attempts to kill it in SCOTUS. You seem to fancy yourself as some sort of constitutional or legal expert so how do you explain the the law was found unconstitutional and yet still exists?

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Well, then the PPACA must not exist anymore.
    No, it was unconstitutional on commerce clause grounds, but since it is not a tax, the case can go forward, but because it is a tax, congress has the power to tax. That is why it is constitutional.

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