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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Except national defense is in the Constitution, healthcare isn't
    I know conservatives don't know what's in the Constitution but there's this preamble thingy that gives the reasons for creating the document and along with "provide for the common defense" there's "promote the general welfare" in it. Those are both pretty broad mandates. Article I goes on to give Congress the power to create laws. There's at least as much justification for creating a health care system as there is for creating a standing professional army, navy (but no air force since that's definitely not in there, right?).

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The founders would role over in their graves if they knew the size and scope our defense spending today. Most of them didn't even like the idea of a standing army and preferred the country be defended by citizen militias.
    Yet your side attacks the 2A and dont even want people to have magazines over 10 rounds, 8 round, 7 rounds, or whatever some idiot decided was appropriate this week.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Because the Constitution says the govt. will do it. where does the Constitution mandate that the Federal taxpayers fund your health insurance. One of your most idiotic posts ever
    Indicate the article and clause where Congress is forbidden to do that.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Typical liberalism/socialism where people like you are jealous of what others have and thus have to punish wealth creation. Tax cuts to the rich mean the rich get to keep more of what they earn and thus have the choice of where to spend it. That doesn't work for people like you who never understand what the rich do with their money and the jobs that money creates. The rich will never spend the way you or other socialists want thus have to be punished. You need to realize that the rich don't have enough money to fund the liberal spending appetite.

    As for the debt. let's start with 1980

    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


    Carter 900 billion
    Reagan 1.7 trillion
    GHW Bush 1.4 trillion
    Clinton 1.4 trillion
    GW Bush 4.9 trillion
    Obama 7.6 trillion

    How is your math?
    Much better than yours. Your numbers above are all wrong and I know why: you didn't go by fiscal years. The first FY of a new president doesn't begin until Oct. 1 not the day he's inaugurated. That would mean that Carter's is only $300B, Reagan $1.9T, Bush I $1.7T, Clinton $1.2T, BushII $6.1T and Obama to date is $6.2T. The grand totals by party comes to $9.7T republicans to $7.7T for democrats. But that's also not really accurate because the interest on previously created debt does eventually show up on later presidents "score card." When the interest of the first term of the two term presidents is removed from the equation then the amounts come to about $7.2T for republicans and $4.2 for dems.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    So you lied when you said you were not asking a legal question. Again, the legal aspect of that is pointless. Huuur its the law.
    Lied? What the hell are you talking about??? I was asking you what the hell CONSENT had to do with a government program for the citizenry.

    Your utter impotence to answer that question shows that you realize that the guillotine was about to fall on the nonsense you tried to get away with.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lied?
    You said it was not a legal question, then said it was a legal question. Try and keep up.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You said it was not a legal question, then said it was a legal question. Try and keep up.
    Perhaps you can quote me on that?

    Of course, you will not because all I did was simply expose how utterly inane your use of the term CONSENT was in this topic.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps you can quote me on that?
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Simply a question arising from your statement. No legal opinion is necessary as we are not in court.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    what the heck does CONSENT have to do with a national program which applies to the citizenry which has been passed by the peoples government and upheld by the judiciary?
    Any response that does not directly address this will be admission of defeat. I dare you to admit defeat.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Even President Reagan's approval rating was only 50% at this point in his presidency.

    http://content.gallup.com/origin/gal...n1bv3mnkmw.gif
    You are comparing two polls with different methodologies. Gallup has Obama at 47%, not 50%. Presidential average with Gallup 1938-2015 is 53%.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except that private insurance had one major difference -- consent.
    Not as much of a difference as you expect. While it is true that under the old system you were free not to buy health insurance, you would be doing so putting yourself and your neighbor at risk. You see, you would be playing the reverse lottery, which is known as the American Healthcare system. So long as you did not have a problem, you would be alright and not be asking others to pay for your healthcare. However, should you lose the lottery, you would go bankrupt AND your neighbor would pay for your healthcare.

    Prior to the PPACA, the average healthcare policy included a $1,000 per year charge to pay for the uninsured (a $43B problem) AND the federal government picked up another $70B (which worked out to another $600 per taxpayer per year). Under the PPACA, you are no longer allowed to play this lottery and off-load that risk on the rest of us.

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