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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You should understand there are people (human beings) who are destitute and unable to accept personal responsibility in this the richest nation on the face of the earth. It's immoral to let them stave and die. Conservatives are basically for themselves and noboby else. Now you are going to give me that line of crap where you will say conservatives donate more than liberals. Even if thats is true it not nearly enough.
    If almost 50% of the American people "are destitute and unable to accept personal responsibility" then it will no longer be 'the richest nation on the face of the earth'. In fact, with almost $20 trillion in debt and nothing to show for it, it is now the brokest nation on the face of the earth.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    The ACA had a grandfather clause. If you wanted to stay in the plan you were in when it was signed, you (legally) could.
    No, the plan was ruled illegal once the price changed. PPACA literally took millions of people off insurance.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So then by your standards Govt. trickle down doesn't work either so why do so many support massive expansion including a new entitlement program? Sorry but the reality is people like you don't understand trickle down in the private sector at all. Only with trickle down are jobs created and thus the opportunity to grow in personal wealth. Govt. created jobs don't generate a damn thing but dependence and debt.
    While 'trickle down' may eventually help the working class the 'trickle up', or rather 'gushing up', has eroded any gains that trickle down effect may have.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    No, the plan was ruled illegal once the price changed. PPACA literally took millions of people off insurance.
    Substantially changing the benefit design (i.e., upping the cost-sharing by more than medical inflation + 15%) of a plan relinquishes grandfathered status, sure. Once you start substantially changing the benefits or the financial terms under which the enrollee gets to access them, it's not really the same plan anymore.

    And no, the ACA didn't take "millions of people off insurance." Some people switched to a different plan (which, again, isn't unusual and most of them would've done anyway).

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Once you start substantially changing the benefits or the financial terms under which the enrollee gets to access them, it's not really the same plan anymore.

    Some people switched to a different plan (which, again, isn't unusual and most of them would've done anyway).
    No, simply raising the price by a penny makes the plan illegal. The whole point of that was to take your plan and your doctor without literally saying out loud that they would do that.

    The millions that lost their insurance because of PPACA did not desire that to happen.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    No, simply raising the price by a penny makes the plan illegal.
    Changes to the premium don't matter (although if you're in an employer-based plan and your employer changes the percentage of the total premium he contributes, that plan would lose grandfathered status). There is, of course, no equivalent to that situation in the individual market.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    One penny increase in the price made the plan illegal. That was specifically to remove the plan and doctor.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    One penny increase in the price made the plan illegal.
    You are confused.

    45 CFR 147.140 - Preservation of right to maintain existing coverage.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    G ii (one penny), G iii (one penny), G iv (A) (requires a five dollar increase), G v (one penny),

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    G ii (one penny), G iii (one penny), G iv (A) (requires a five dollar increase), G v (one penny),
    See post #274 and #276.

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