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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Conservative principles and values are verified by actual results, therein lies the difference. Liberals think with their hearts whereas conservatives think with their brain. I don't think any Obama supporter should be talking about Conservative candidates as not being qualified or having Trump ahead of Jeb Bush. Obama was incompetent when elected and re-elected and the results show it
    Care to speak about the electorates support of Trump?!!!
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I don't blame Obama for the M.E. clusterf-ck. I think he is trying something different there and that's at least a start. We can't continue the failed policies of the past and expect different results. We need to get the countries in the region involved or there will never be peace there. As far as threat levels, I see them as meaningless. We are always under threat of terrorists, it is what we do to thwart those threats that is of importance. I firmly believe 911 could have been prevented under different leadership for example.
    The US, under the leadership of both Bush and Obama has removed the far more stabilizing forces of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad creating the instability that exists in the ME presently, and providing the opportunity for the rise of the Islamic State. Obama very much owns this. You may wish to look the other way with regards to Libya and Syria, ignoring the ongoing death and destruction in both those countries, but Russia and China are not, they both have been quite vocal in their opposition to our policies there, and they both are right, the US being wrong, and I think at least in part, that was DA60's point, and he's right.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US, under the leadership of both Bush and Obama has removed the far more stabilizing forces of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad creating the instability that exists in the ME presently, and providing the opportunity for the rise of the Islamic State. Obama very much owns this. You may wish to look the other way with regards to Libya and Syria, ignoring the ongoing death and destruction in both those countries, but Russia and China are not, they both have been quite vocal in their opposition to our policies there, and they both are right, the US being wrong, and I think at least in part, that was DA60's point, and he's right.
    How did Obama force the people of those countries to rebel? The consensus is that the destabilizing effect of the Iraq invasion and occupation is what brought on these rebellions against dictatorships more than anything else. As Americans we can't and shouldn't support oppressive dictatorships which is apparently your complaint. The Russian and Chinese are fearful of rebellions against their own regimes so of course they oppose all popular rebellions no matter how justified. Your adulation is noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    How did Obama force the people of those countries to rebel? The consensus is that the destabilizing effect of the Iraq invasion and occupation is what brought on these rebellions against dictatorships more than anything else. As Americans we can't and shouldn't support oppressive dictatorships which is apparently your complaint. The Russian and Chinese are fearful of rebellions against their own regimes so of course they oppose all popular rebellions no matter how justified. Your adulation is noted.
    I didn't say we need to support dictatorships (never mind our history of doing just that when it suits our "interests") but overthrowing them may (and that's debatable too) be a good idea, but only when you have an improved alternative, something that we have not provided in either Libya or Syria! Russia and China's complaints about our Libyan policy wasn't our support of popular rebellion, but our abuse of 1973 which authorized the use of force to protect civilians. That abuse China and Russia objected to was expressed by them the minute bombing sorties began as they both pointed out that the sorties were consistent with regime change, something both of them did not support! And indeed was a violation of UN1973. And was the stated reason why every time (I think three times) Obama dispatched Hillary Clinton to the UN to secure a resolution for the use of force in Syria, Russia and China said, hell no, pointing at Libya as the reason. It doesn't matter whether or not you accept it, Obama is as responsible as Bush, maybe more so for the miserable state of affairs in the ME, and a reason why Russia and China are forging closer ties, opposing us in the ME now and decrying the dangers of a US dominated uni-polar world that they both are VERY intent on opposing.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Care to speak about the electorates support of Trump?!!!
    Oh, I don't know how about experience running a business thus the 17.5 trillion dollar economy and actually growing it?

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    Oh, I don't know how about experience running a business thus the 17.5 trillion dollar economy and actually growing it?
    What are you trying to say?? Reagan tripled the ND, Bush doubled it. You really think the next republican president will pay down on it. Bush promised a plan to reduce the ND by several trillion over ten years, instead he doubled it. When people start putting America before party loyalty, we'll fix this problem. Until then, the growth of this debt continues to grow no matter who occupies the WH.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What are you trying to say?? Reagan tripled the ND, Bush doubled it. You really think the next republican president will pay down on it. Bush promised a plan to reduce the ND by several trillion over ten years, instead he doubled it. When people start putting America before party loyalty, we'll fix this problem. Until then, the growth of this debt continues to grow no matter who occupies the WH.
    Oh, here we go again, this is typical BS, Reagan took the debt from 900 billion to 2.6 trillion and doubled the GDP, created 17 million jobs, and got a 60% growth in FIT with his tax cuts. Your revisionist is just like everything else you post, opinions based upon ignorance of basic economics and the private sector economy.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    Oh, here we go again, this is typical BS, Reagan took the debt from 900 billion to 2.6 trillion and doubled the GDP, created 17 million jobs, and got a 60% growth in FIT with his tax cuts. Your revisionist is just like everything else you post, opinions based upon ignorance of basic economics and the private sector economy.
    Thank you for finally acknowledging that Reagan tripled the ND. And for ignoring that Bush doubled it, despite his promise to pay it down. Such stupid partisan bull ****.
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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What 'important landmarks' will add to BHO's positive legacy?

    It doesn't seem right that someone else should fail in order to make Obama look good. Keep in mind that Obama will be leaving behind a $20 trillion dollar debt, troubled race relations, international policies in chaos and little or no respect from any world leaders. I can't see any accomplishments at all but I'd like to hear of some..
    Not saying someone should fail, but average can look much better when successor is worse. I wouldn't want the next person to fail though, especially since still live in the US and probably will for most of my life, so the better things go here the better =p.

    If we are looking at history book potential listed accomplishments the main ones would probably be: Healthcare expansion (even with it's issues), Don't Ask Don't Tell repeal, same sex marriage (even though it was the courts, not Obama, that caused it, it'd probably be attributed to happening "under his presidency"), first Hispanic named to the Supreme Court, first Supreme Court with 3 women

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Some people will never get it tell me is the debt service on the 1.7 trillion dollar Reagan debt more or less than the 7.6 trillion dollar debt that Obama has created results matter you look at percentage change Reagan left the country with 2.6 trillion dollars in debt on a 5.2 trillion dollar GDP compare that to what Obama has done

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