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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I support Gruber's claim that the Democrat electorate is stupid
    Obama also understands they're stupid, gullible, easy to lie to and manipulate. MIT Economist Jonathan Gruber Had Bigger Role in Health Law, Emails Show - WSJ

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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    So who was he talking about in supporting ACA? How many Republicans voted for it?
    He was talking about the American voter, here is what he said:

    This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK? So it's written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said healthy people are going to pay in — you made explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money — it would not have passed. OK? Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to get the thing to pass. Look, I wish ... we could make it all transparent, but I'd rather have this law than not.
    Read more at snopes.com: Obamacare Architect Jonathan Gruber Hails American 'Stupidity'


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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He was talking about the American voter, here is what he said:
    This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK? So it's written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said healthy people are going to pay in — you made explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money — it would not have passed. OK? Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to get the thing to pass. Look, I wish ... we could make it all transparent, but I'd rather have this law than not.
    Gruber nailed it but these same people he's referring to still don't get it. They still think they are the smart ones, which adds another dimension to Gruber's charge.

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He was talking about the American voter, here is what he said:

    This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK? So it's written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said healthy people are going to pay in — you made explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money — it would not have passed. OK? Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to get the thing to pass. Look, I wish ... we could make it all transparent, but I'd rather have this law than not.
    Read more at snopes.com: Obamacare Architect Jonathan Gruber Hails American 'Stupidity'
    It doesn't appear to me that those who didn't support ACA are stupid but I do find it interesting that that is your interpretation. It certainly wasn't Gruber's whose role was to sell ACA and to do so he relied on the stupidity of the Obama supporters

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    [/INDENT]Gruber nailed it but these same people he's referring to still don't get it. They still think they are the smart ones, which adds another dimension to Gruber's charge.
    That would be you.


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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That would be you.
    Interesting take on Gruber which just goes to show he was right and was indeed referring to people like you as he wanted ACA passed. The stupid ones are the supporters not those who didn't support the law

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It doesn't appear to me that those who didn't support ACA are stupid but I do find it interesting that that is your interpretation. It certainly wasn't Gruber's whose role was to sell ACA and to do so he relied on the stupidity of the Obama supporters
    Nonsense, it wasn't the American people passing the legislation, it was Congrass. You need a class in civics.


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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Obama also understands they're stupid, gullible, easy to lie to and manipulate. MIT Economist Jonathan Gruber Had Bigger Role in Health Law, Emails Show - WSJ
    Lol! while you stand proudly against the "Death Tax" and fight against "Government Controlled Healthcare"...all words polled and tested to fire up the rightwing base.

    Gruber is right, the electorate is dumb and it's impossible to get anything done because politics and writing major legislation requires the breaking of a lot of eggs. The fact you seem to not get the fact shows which side you're on.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Nonsense, it wasn't the American people passing the legislation, it was Congrass. You need a class in civics.
    Those Congressional Representatives were elected by the people or didn't you understand that? So what you are saying is that Gruber was talking about those who didn't support ACA and was calling them stupid? So that is called liberal logic

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    Re: Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Lol! while you stand proudly against the "Death Tax" and fight against "Government Controlled Healthcare"...all words polled and tested to fire up the rightwing base.

    Gruber is right, the electorate is dumb and it's impossible to get anything done because politics and writing major legislation requires the breaking of a lot of eggs. The fact you seem to not get the fact shows which side you're on.
    So again, you believe Gruber was talking about those who didn't support ACA when he called the electorate stupid?

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