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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    I wanna see an SNL parody of the GOP debates....where every answer that Cruz gives is "I DO NOT LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM....I DO NOT LIKE THEM SAM I AM!"

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    Cruz knows he won't win the nomination. He's aligning himself with a demographic he will be able to profit from for years.
    The problem with this theory is *every* repub candidate is acting exactly the same as cruz in this regard. One of them has to win

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I want the same election process we have for senators to apply to Supreme Court judges. Hardly the slippery slope you are portraying.

    Is listening to the popular vote a bad thing? That's what we call democratic compromise and concensus, and it's how we empower the American Citizen to take charge of his own future.

    Can you imagine the social policy debates we would have every couple years when a Supreme Court justice came up for election? The discourse would be wonderful for democracy and for our society.
    Nothing I am implying even comes close to a "Slippery Slope"....do you know what a Slippery Slope is? What you are advocating is doing away with the core structure of the Constitution and the principles that it stands for. What you are really advocating is to eliminate the Constitution.....at least be honest about it.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Who's opposed to democracy? We have a three branches of government. The legislative is wholly democratic, the executive - kind of / sort of. The judiciary was never meant to be democratic for the very good reason that they shouldn't vote a certain way simply because it might enhance their re-election chances.
    None of the three branches were meant to be wholly democratic. We have an electoral college for the executive. Originally, senators were appointed and not elected.

    Women and minorities were also originally not allowed to vote.

    Luckily, we have improved and democratized our system of government over the years. The electoral college is impotent. Senators are now elected.

    I favor holding Supreme Court elections just like we elect senators...in rotating 6 year terms.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    None of the three branches were meant to be wholly democratic. We have an electoral college for the executive. Originally, senators were appointed and not elected.

    Women and minorities were also originally not allowed to vote.

    Luckily, we have improved and democratized our system of government over the years. The electoral college is impotent. Senators are now elected.

    I favor holding Supreme Court elections just like we elect senators...in rotating 6 year terms.
    You keep avoiding the question:

    What purpose would the Constitution serve if the Justices are elected at the whim of the majority. How would a popular vote of the judges protect the rights of the minority? Would not every fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution become subject to a popular vote?

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Whaddaya mean? It was the best speech the man has ever given!
    I just think he is feeling a little dizzy late from all the .......


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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nothing I am implying even comes close to a "Slippery Slope"....do you know what a Slippery Slope is? What you are advocating is doing away with the core structure of the Constitution and the principles that it stands for. What you are really advocating is to eliminate the Constitution.....at least be honest about it.
    Supreme Court judges eliminate the constitution every time they legislate from the bench...they were never intended to have such power.

    By using constitutional processes to hold them accountable to the American People, we can reestablish the intent of the constitution - to have three separate but equal branches of government.

    American government, I strongly feel, ought to be of the people, by the people, and for THE PEOPLE.

    That's not 9 unelected autocrats serving for life. Let them be accountable to the people of the United States. Let the people decide.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We have a great constitution, the greatest constitution on earth.

    One of the great things about it is the amendment process which makes it a living document. So, just like we amended the constitution to allow people to vote for their senators, if we were to do the same amendment process to allow the people to vote for their Supreme Court justices, I would applaud that as a victory for democracy, the constitution, and Americans.

    I don't believe anybody is so high and mighty that they should be above the "inconvenience" of having to be elected. Supreme Court judges are human like the rest of us.

    We elect our president, we elect our representatives, our senators, our governors, our mayors, etc. why should our judges not be held to the same standard?
    I don't think I would go as far as to have Supreme Court justices elected, for the same reasons the Framers chose not to do that. A balance has to be struck between insulating the Supreme Court from temporary political shifts and letting it be a law unto itself, as it just was in Obergefell. I think the balance the Constitution strikes is not too far off. Justices may be impeached and tried, and in the early days of this country one of them was. The Court depends entirely on the Executive Branch to enforce its decisions, and even then, no president could hope to enforce a decision if many states refused to comply with it. A president may also decline to enforce a Supreme Court decision he believes to be unconstitutional, as Lincoln did with Dred Scott v. Sandford. Or, a president may dilute the power of current justices by appointing more, as Roosevelt proposed to do by having twelve instead of nine.

    Congress can check the Judicial Branch, too. It can make laws to alter the Court's decisions--the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which weakened the effect of Employment Division v. Smith, is just one example. Congress can even make a law that completely removes the Court's jurisdiction over a case, as it did in Ex Parte McCardle, 74 U.S. 506 (1869). If interpreted broadly, McCardle suggests that Congress could in effect overrule Marbury v. Madison by not providing for the Supreme Court's appellate or certiorari jurisdiction. It is pretty clear Congress could remove the jurisdiction of lower federal courts, considering they only exist at all because it created them by law.

    Sen. Cruz may be right that we need a constitutional amendment to allow Supreme Court justices to be evaluated and removed. I haven't read the details of what he is suggesting. I think a supermajority vote should apply in any action that drastic.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign : It's All Politics : NPR

    Well so much for the SCOTUS ruling not being an election issue. I wonder how much traction the judicial elections amendment will get. I am sure the liberals would love another shot at Citizens United and Hobby Lobby in their lifetime.
    It might not go like Cruz thinks.
    There is a reason the founding fathers wanted to put justices above the sway of election cycles and political parties.


    Ted Cruz is living in a dream world. He will never change what the U.S. Supreme Court has done.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Supreme Court judges eliminate the constitution every time they legislate from the bench...they were never intended to have such power.

    By using constitutional processes to hold them accountable to the American People, we can reestablish the intent of the constitution - to have three separate but equal branches of government.

    American government, I strongly feel, ought to be of the people, by the people, and for THE PEOPLE.

    That's not 9 unelected autocrats serving for life. Let them be accountable to the people of the United States. Let the people decide.
    You are still shuffling around the question: What would be the point of having a Constitution if the Justices are subject to the whim of the majority? Why would we need one?

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