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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    I wouldn't discount Cruz as being an idiot, quite the opposite actually.
    I disagree. Everytime the man opens his mouth he displays clearly that he is an extremist out of touch with the vast majority of this country. I suspect he may know that and isn't all that serious about running for the Presidency....so maybe you are correct.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes I would rather have a judicial branch that is answerable to the electorate. Why shouldn't the people have a say in what kind of country they want to live in?

    Think of it this way, 9 unelected judges over the American population means that each unelected judge rules over about 35 million people for life without seeking representation from them. It's the ultimate farce. No matter how educated they are, no one deserves that kind of power
    The people do have a say - through the legislature.

    Electing judges is a bad idea. It makes them little different than the legislature that they're supposed to be a check against.
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Cruz is either an idiot or is simply pandering to his base.

    In either case he likely won't be President so it's of little import.
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm sure you won't find the phrase "tyranny of the majority" anywhere in our constitution. That sounds like paranoia-laced rhetoric when dealing with something as good and wholesome as democracy and the right to self-determination.

    The United States is the worlds oldest democracy still in existence. We hold our democratic principles in high regard. When we fight against tyranny, it's the tyrrany of dictators, monarchs, and autocrats. So, I think to have 9 lifetime appointed elites who lord over 350 million subjects without so much as an election to put them in such a position of disproportionate power....that flies in the face of every American value I know.

    The constitution was put in place to separate and divide up power, specifically to avoid autocratic corruption as we had seen in Britain. I wouldn't trade this for the world.

    We need to take the power out of the hands of 9 unelected boobs, and give that power to you, and me, and our neighbors, and all of the American people. This is our country, we have a right to rule ourselves.
    You should look at the legislative history underlying the creation of the Constitution. It absolutely was set up to protect the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority....those aren't my words, they were James Madison....father of the US Constitution:

    http://rense.com/general64/madi.htm
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The people do have a say - through the legislature.

    Electing judges is a bad idea. It makes them little different than the legislature that they're supposed to be a check against.
    Why this opposition to democracy?

    They would be different in the function that they serve. If elected, they would be accountable to the people they mean to make judgements on behalf of, which can only be a good thing if you believe, as I do, that the Anerican people are adults who are calibre of self-determination.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why this opposition to democracy?

    They would be different in the function that they serve. If elected, they would be accountable to the people they mean to make judgements on behalf of, which can only be a good thing if you believe, as I do, that the Anerican people are adults who are calibre of self-determination.
    They would also be likely to base their decision on what the popular vote/popular opinion is rather than based on the Constitution....so again.....why even have a Constitution is you adopt your view. What purpose would it serve? It sounds to me like you want to abolish the Constitution.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why this opposition to democracy?

    They would be different in the function that they serve. If elected, they would be accountable to the people they mean to make judgements on behalf of, which can only be a good thing if you believe, as I do, that the American people are adults who are calibre of self-determination.
    Who's opposed to democracy? We have a three branches of government. The legislative is wholly democratic, the executive - kind of / sort of. The judiciary was never meant to be democratic for the very good reason that they shouldn't vote a certain way simply because it might enhance their re-election chances.
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    He can filibuster and attempt to introduce things, but he's pretty well marginalized, ineffective, and irrelevant in the Senate these days too. He's burned too many bridges with his arrogance and ignorance to ever be a meaningful force in government.
    This is what lost him his credibility and respect. He embarrassed the entire Nation with this stunt.


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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    This is what lost him his credibility and respect. He embarrassed the entire Nation with this stunt.


    Whaddaya mean? It was the best speech the man has ever given!

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    They would also be likely to base their decision on what the popular vote/popular opinion is rather than based on the Constitution....so again.....why even have a Constitution is you adopt your view. What purpose would it serve? It sounds to me like you want to abolish the Constitution.
    I want the same election process we have for senators to apply to Supreme Court judges. Hardly the slippery slope you are portraying.

    Is listening to the popular vote a bad thing? That's what we call democratic compromise and concensus, and it's how we empower the American Citizen to take charge of his own future.

    Can you imagine the social policy debates we would have every couple years when a Supreme Court justice came up for election? The discourse would be wonderful for democracy and for our society.

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