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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Cruz is Donald Trump with a law degree. They will both, hopefully, not find their way onto the stage for many or any Republican debates.
    It is just because there will be debates that I think Cruz has more chance than some people seem to think. He is a far better debater than anyone else who will be on that stage, and it will score a lot of points for him. No one could have argued eight cases before the Supreme Court of the U.S. without unusual skills. The only candidate I can recall who had debating skills like that was Ronald Reagan--as William F. Buckley once noted, he was "a hell of a good debater."

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicshead View Post
    So you would be ok with DC v Heller being overturned to meet public demand for gun control?
    Absolutely, if that's what the people wanted. i wouldn't agree with the ruling, but it's a lot easier to bash unelected autocrats forcing policy on an unwilling public than it is to bash a democratic process that didn't go your way.

    That's to say, respect the will of the people.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think the idea that we would so fundamentally alter the structure of our government over one minor hot button issue is a nonstarter.The question whether judges should be elected is bigger than gay marriage. It comes down to what constitutes a fair system of government and how much do you trust the American Public to govern itself?
    Well now you are changing your tune....a few minutes ago you were trying to argue that a gay marriage referendum by popular vote would be more meaningful. That is different than electing judges.If you wanna talk about that....I would say that it has nothing to do with trusting the American public to govern itself...if that were the case, why have judges at all? There is value in judges not being beholden to lobby groups and fund raising, especially when dealing with fundamental rights.
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It is just because there will be debates that I think Cruz has more chance than some people seem to think. He is a far better debater than anyone else who will be on that stage, and it will score a lot of points for him. No one could have argued eight cases before the Supreme Court of the U.S. without unusual skills. The only candidate I can recall who had debating skills like that was Ronald Reagan--as William F. Buckley once noted, he was "a hell of a good debater."
    The first debate is going to KILL Cruz....because he is so far to the extreme and wacko...putting in on display for all to see is not going to be good for Mr. Green Eggs and Ham.
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It absolutely makes sense when you understand that the Constitution exists for the simple fact that there are certain rights that are so fundamental that they should never be put to whim of the majority. Why even have a Constitution if you are going to put everything to a popular vote? There would be no purpose for it.

    I can tell you one group that would absolutely hate what you are proposing....gun owners.
    I think you underestimate the voting public. Anyways, by all the polling, gay marriage was popularly supported.

    I'm not saying that everything should be put to popular vote, but what I am saying is the degree of democracy in our judicial branch needs to be ratcheted up a few notches. I would be in favor of more judges, of having the judges elected, and having the judges serve 6 year terms similar to senators. That way, they are at least somewhat accountable to the people they are meant to govern.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    jeb won't bring it up. in the debates he will say "it's the law of the land now, so lets focus on the bigger issues like the economy and foreign policy." perfectly acceptable answer without stirring up the bee hive.

    if anything the court did the GOP a favor in the upcoming election

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Well now you are changing your tune....a few minutes ago you were trying to argue that a gay marriage referendum by popular vote would be more meaningful. That is different than electing judges.If you wanna talk about that....I would say that it has nothing to do with trusting the American public to govern itself...if that were the case, why have judges at all? There is value in judges not being beholden to lobby groups and fund raising, especially when dealing with fundamental rights.
    There's no change to my tune but perhaps I can make my position clear: I believe in democracy and I think that our current judicial system of having 9 unelected judges weild such disproportionate power over 350 million subjects who have absolutely no say in who they are, for life, is fundamentally unjust.

    I believe in empowering people.

    The American People are not children, we can pick for ourselves who we want to have as our judges. We don't need Obama or George W Bush to do that for us. Let the people decide.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    There's no change to my tune but perhaps I can make my position clear: I believe in democracy and I think that our current judicial system of having 9 unelected judges weild such disproportionate power over 350 million subjects who have absolutely no say in who they are, for life, is fundamentally unjust.

    I believe in empowering people.

    The American People are not children, we can pick for ourselves who we want to have as our judges. We don't need Obama or George W Bush to do that for us. Let the people decide.
    Its not a matter of "treating people like children"....it is about understanding that the Constitution exists to ensure that fundamental rights are never put to a popular vote. When you subject Supreme Court judges to a popular vote, in essence that is what you are doing. Why have a Constitution if you are going to knock out the supports under it?
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It is just because there will be debates that I think Cruz has more chance than some people seem to think. He is a far better debater than anyone else who will be on that stage, and it will score a lot of points for him. No one could have argued eight cases before the Supreme Court of the U.S. without unusual skills. The only candidate I can recall who had debating skills like that was Ronald Reagan--as William F. Buckley once noted, he was "a hell of a good debater."
    Cruz can't help himself - like Trump and like Hillary Clinton - he comes off as a very unappealing personality, full of arrogance, and regardless of the validity of any argument he may make, the message is lost because the messenger is such a dick.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Cruz can't help himself - like Trump and like Hillary Clinton - he comes off as a very unappealing personality, full of arrogance, and regardless of the validity of any argument he may make, the message is lost because the messenger is such a dick.
    I can see how a lot of people might take Cruz that way. But as someone who has heard him talk personally in a lot in interviews about his background, his views on constitutional issues, etc., I got the impression of a very nice guy with a very firm belief that continuing to ignore the Constitution is steadily destroying this country. I could not agree more.

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