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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes I would rather have a judicial branch that is answerable to the electorate. Why shouldn't the people have a say in what kind of country they want to live in?

    Think of it this way, 9 unelected judges over the American population means that each unelected judge rules over about 35 million people for life without seeking representation from them. It's the ultimate farce. No matter how educated they are, no one deserves that kind of power
    Because the Founders, or at least some of them, were wise enough to realize that the people can only be trusted to a limited degree. We elevate an unelected body of Judges to act as permanent arbiters of the law in order to check (among many other things) the intemperate choices and bigotry of the masses. The Constitution, in letter and spirit, should reign above what the people think. If you disagree there is thankfully but one mechanism to change it.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You have to love the collective right wing reactions to all of this. So far:

    - Judges writing out dissenting opinions = constitutional crisis (this forum)
    - State workers can arbitrarily decide who they'll allow to get married (Texas)
    - If states can't decide who gets married, a reasonable solution is doing away with marriage licenses (Some conservatives in US/Canada)!
    - The judges aren't siding with us? Better replace them every couple of years then!

    Oh, September-November 2016 is going to be great. Some people will be tripping over themselves to support gay marriage, others will fade into obscurity for attacking it, and better yet, some will fall into disrepute because of their thinly veiled homophobia.

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    My, my, my - what a difference a few elections and some really good marketing make. In less than 20 years, the gay community has managed to turn this issue around completely. I remember in 2004, the election being almost entirely around the concept of gay marriage and the Iraq war. People were beating their chest about who could hate on homos the most if they weren't calling the other side unpatriotic. Even Lurch, err Kerry - who had voted against DOMA - could not bring himself to simply support gay marriage. Now it's 2015, and opinions have changed but very little will change in DC. Though the majority of the population either doesn't give a **** or supports gay marriage, there will still be political bottom feeders like Cruz.
    Not a "collective" right wing reaction. Some of us don't hold any of those thoughts. Some of us say "Who cares who marries who? Stay out of it. Let adults pick their spouses and butt out."
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We probably already have one.
    My money's on Scalia.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The OP is a suggestion to amend the constitution.

    I suspect if you asked a simple question via referendum to the Anerican public, they would answer "yes" rather resoundingly..."should Supreme Court judges be elected by the public rather than appointed for life by the president?"
    I suspect if you asked a simple question via referendum to the American public, they would answer "yes" rather resoundingly..."should same sex couples be allowed to marry?"

    Edit: Also, "Do you support universal background checks for the purchase of a firearm?"

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Because the Founders, or at least some of them, were wise enough to realize that the people can only be trusted to a limited degree. We elevate an unelected body of Judges to act as permanent arbiters of the law in order to check (among many other things) the intemperate choices and bigotry of the masses. The Constitution, in letter and spirit, should reign above what the people think. If you disagree there is thankfully but one mechanism to change it.
    The founders didn't want us voting on senators either, we amended the constitution to change that. This is no different. I believe in democracy and it's high time that principle extended to the judiciary, not just the executive and legislative branches

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    I suspect if you asked a simple question via referendum to the American public, they would answer "yes" rather resoundingly..."should same sex couples be allowed to marry?"
    Fine, then they should have done that. Wait, they did do that in California, right? No matter, as long as the process is democratic, I can live with whatever the outcome.

    I believe most people now do support gay marriage, so it could be that you are correct...and to think how much more meaningful a popular victory would be

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Funny. When people's beliefs don't hold hold up under Constitutional scrutiny, they want to change the Constitution so they can vote for whatever SCOTUS judge will allow them to legally discriminate against queers into perpetuity. ****ing bunch of pathetic losers.
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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    With a few exceptions, pretty good. I do not think you can call yourself a conservative anymore if you want to radically alter how the government has run for over two centuries just because you now have to share marriage with gays and the word "state" could also mean the federal government.
    Come now. You SERIOUSLY think the SCOTUS is devoid of 'politics'?

    What is one of the first consideration of president? Will there be an opportunity to appoint a new SC judge and influence the future.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The OP is a suggestion to amend the constitution.

    I suspect if you asked a simple question via referendum to the Anerican public, they would answer "yes" rather resoundingly..."should Supreme Court judges be elected by the public rather than appointed for life by the president?"
    The irony and ignorance in this post is astounding. A clear indication that the poster has no clue what the Constitution is and why it exists.

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    Re: Cruz: Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage Will Be 'Front And Center' In 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Fine, then they should have done that. Wait, they did do that in California, right? No matter, as long as the process is democratic, I can live with whatever the outcome.

    I believe most people now do support gay marriage, so it could be that you are correct...and to think how much more meaningful a popular victory would be
    Actually....I find the holding of the SCOTUS much more meaningful than a "popular victory"....essentially the SCOTUS said that the right to marriage is so fundamental that it should never be put to a popular vote. THAT is much more meaningful.

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