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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Why should the government have ever been put in charge of deciding whether you get to enter a contract with someone else or not?
    You're right. Anyone should be able to marry anyone.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    And nothing whatsoever prohibits each state from defining what contracts within it are legally valid.
    Actually you are not only reading selectively, but misinterpreting what you are reading.

    Reread the parts of the 14th Amendment I underlined. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; and nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Marriage licenses grant all the privileges and immunities identified as belonging to a married couple. These include, but are not limited to, hospital visitation access; medical decisions including the right to instruct medical personnel to "pull the plug" on a dying comatose spouse; the right to make funeral arrangements; status under legal inheritance laws; shared property rights; child adoption; joint bank accounts; health insurance; life insurance; social security survivor benefits; divorce options; alimony; and on, and on.

    By enacting laws which denied all the privileges and immunities of marriage to same-sex couples permitted by other State's laws to be legally married, states where it was NOT legal have violated the first section of the 14th Amendment underlined.

    Furthermore, if opposite-sexed marriages are held legally binding in all states regardless of where the marriage took place in the USA, while same-sex marriages are NOT, then by denying to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, the second portion of the 14th Amendment has been violated.

    I am aware that you are blinded by your personal prejudices, but the SCOTUS decision is Constitutionally sound.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    When was marriage ever defined in the first place? Is it between a man and his slave? Is it between a man and harem of women? Is it between a man and his sister? Is it between a man and his daughter?
    There is a thread currently active where you can talk about this fallacy.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    In other words, "you veel comply, or else you veel suffer ze consequences". First Amendment be damned. Zeig Heil!
    Why shouldn't one have to follow the law when they are getting paid by legal tax paying citizens? Just like a Rastafarian would working at Mcdonalds serving white people.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did interracial marriage redefine marriage? Did overturning laws that declared the wife to be subservient to the husband redefine marriage?
    Lets not be dumb and pretend you can add an entirely new kind of relationship to the mix and not redefine marriage.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why shouldn't one have to follow the law when they are getting paid by legal tax paying citizens? Just like a Rastafarian would working at Mcdonalds serving white people.
    The government is their employer, so at worst they should be fired. Why send the law after them for failing to do their job?

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    The article also states "He warned in a statement Sunday that any clerk, justice of the peace or other administrator who declines to issue a license to a same-sex couple could face litigation or a fine."

    It goes on to state that if this happens he has a group of lawyers who will represent the state worker for free. While Texas courts MIGHT rule in favor of the defendant's, I wonder how effective this would be when the U.S. Attorney General's office begins proceedings in Federal Courts under civil rights violations...the same method used to break the racial codes in the old South during the civil rights movement.

    I am amazed at the levels of hate demonstrated by people over a ruling that has absolutely NO EFFECT on the "sanctity" of their own marriages. No one's rights have been violated, and no religion is required to sanction marital ceremonies. All that has happened is that an oppressed minority has had another level of oppression removed from their inherent liberties.
    This seems like a reaction born of fear that the conservative hold is not as tight as it was and they are losing their battle. Hate has no limits I gather.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Why should the government have ever been put in charge of deciding whether you get to enter a contract with someone else or not?
    Pretty much because warloards, kings, queens, czars, emperors, etc birthright crap are not in control and hopefully we all have equality under the law.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lets not be dumb and pretend you can add an entirely new kind of relationship to the mix and not redefine marriage.
    Wasn't interracial marriage an entirely new kind of relationship?
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The government is their employer, so at worst they should be fired. Why send the law after them for failing to do their job?
    Where did you get the idea that the law would be "sent after them," other than being fired?
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