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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post

    my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway
    here's the problem. when it becomes clear that they WILL negatively impact your religious rights I'm sure your opinion will stay exactly the same as it is. When all the private schools are forced to shut down because they lose tax exemption for not embracing gay marriage, then we'll see what BS you come up with to rationalize it and say it had NOTHING to do with this supreme court ruling. Or when christian churches get sued out of existence for not performing gay marriage.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    So, what happens when a Texas clerk has no problem issuing these licenses or has any religious conviction about it??

    Will they be persecuted? Transferred? Terminated?

    You know, not ALL Texan's are Yuk-Yuk redneck hicks. Some of the coolest and most progressive people I know live in Texas. They just keep their head down and hold their politics close to the vest. The peer-pressure in Texas to be "red," is enormous. Yet, some still have the courage to stand on their own convictions. Texas gets a bad rap sometimes just because of politics. And, perhaps, rightfully so. But, beyond politics, you won't find better people anywhere.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays[W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    My thought is that your comments suggest is is you who is expressing a hateful and judgmental view. Disrespect by any American for the right to free exercise of religion is just as regrettable as disrespect for other fundamental First Amendment rights like the freedom of speech.
    I respect the right of people to follow their religion. I also expect people who work for the government which has nothing to do with faith or religion and is against discrimination and follows the laws to preform their jobs. Their faith has nothing to do with the job. If they can not do their job because of their faith they need to find another job. People has already quit their clerk jobs because of this. This is the option. You have the right to your faith freedom freedom freedom but belief does not give you the right to do your government job.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Bob can sue no matter what, but since when will government care about Bob's religion or take into account his religion when upholding what is now the law of the land? Bob as an individual is irrelevant.
    But there are plenty of places which don't want to get sued and therefore, might not terminate Bob even though he deserves it because fighting a lawsuit and potentially losing a lawsuit is time consuming and expensive. Bob has that potential threat that he can hold over the head of his employers that they'd better be nice to him or he might sue them for discrimination.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, it's not at all difficult. Have everyone sign in upon entering. Assign people to a particular window, or give them a number for the clerk to call. Clerks issue licenses to whoever comes to their window, or to all numbers to which they've been assigned. Done.
    This is the way it is now. People come in and go to the next open window. This is as it should be. But you are forgetting that some people may not want to serve the people in front of them. If they don't they should be replaced by people who will serve everyone.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    1.)here's the problem. when it becomes clear that they WILL negatively impact your religious rights I'm sure your opinion will stay exactly the same as it is.
    2.) When all the private schools are forced to shut down because they lose tax exemption for not embracing gay marriage, then we'll see what BS you come up with to rationalize it and say it had NOTHING to do with this supreme court ruling.
    3.) Or when christian churches get sued out of existence for not performing gay marriage.
    4.)Oh I'll bet you will be on FIRE then, huh? admit you were totally wrong, right?......................yeah, I seriously doubt it.
    1.) by design it cant so im not worried. I have nor right or freedoms based on religion to infring on the rights of other, i NEVER have so my rights are safe
    2.) LMAO please keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum please. Dishonest wordings and fantasies dont work.
    3.) another irrational fear tactic that nobody honest takes seriously, the churches are protected and discriminate EVERYDAY already and have been and will continue to do so. People have already tried to sue them and lost since the constitutions exists. "Churches" do not have to preform legal marriages.

    did you have this fear before gays got equal rights? if not why since they have been sending couples packing for centuries . . just last year a story made the news casue it was unique where a black couple was denied marriage by the church they attend because it was mainly white. even though it was thier church the church wouldnt do it . . what happened? nothing because churches can do that and have that right LMAO sorry illogical conspiracy theories dont worry me My ACTUAL rights are completely safe and fully in tact.
    4.) keep beating that drum of dishonesty because its only going to get mocked. . . if any REAL rights were infringed on I would be the first in line to stand and fight but since that hasnt happened im right here happy for my fellow americans who never have equal rights like we all should.


    your problem is made up so no worries

    again the FACT is my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway, disagree factually prove other wise
    facts win again
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) by design it cant so im not worried. I have nor right or freedoms based on religion to infring on the rights of other, i NEVER have so my rights are safe
    2.) LMAO please keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum please. Dishonest wordings and fantasies dont work.
    3.) another irrational fear tactic that nobody honest takes seriously, the churches are protected and discriminate EVERYDAY already and have been and will continue to do so. People have already tried to sue them and lost since the constitutions exists. "Churches" do not have to preform legal marriages.

    did you have this fear before gays got equal rights? if not why since they have been sending couples packing for centuries . . just last year a story made the news casue it was unique where a black couple was denied marriage by the church they attend because it was mainly white. even though it was thier church the church wouldnt do it . . what happened? nothing because churches can do that and have that right LMAO sorry illogical conspiracy theories dont worry me My ACTUAL rights are completely safe and fully in tact.
    4.) keep beating that drum of dishonesty because its only going to get mocked. . . if any REAL rights were infringed on I would be the first in line to stand and fight but since that hasnt happened im right here happy for my fellow americans who never have equal rights like we all should.


    your problem is made up so no worries

    again the FACT is my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway, disagree factually prove other wise
    facts win again
    TIME Magazine two days ago:
    Gay Marriage Decision Is Right Time to End Religious Tax Exemptions

    Or maybe this is just a fantasy I made up in my head, huh?

    They are going after religion and it's institutions and aren't even hiding it. Now I don't care if that makes you happy or sad, but you are denying that it exists, which makes no sense. You will have to put your head deeper into the ground every day to keep saying it isn't happening and will not continue to happen. sheesh

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    TIME Magazine two days ago:
    Gay Marriage Decision Is Right Time to End Religious Tax Exemptions

    Or maybe this is just a fantasy I made up in my head, huh?

    They are going after religion and it's institutions and aren't even hiding it. Now I don't care if that makes you happy or sad, but you are denying that it exists, which makes no sense. You will have to put your head deeper into the ground every day to keep saying it isn't happening and will not continue to happen. sheesh
    Maybe we're just realizing that religion has had far too much power and privilege and it's time to change that across the board?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    TIME Magazine two days ago:
    Gay Marriage Decision Is Right Time to End Religious Tax Exemptions

    Or maybe this is just a fantasy I made up in my head, huh?

    They are going after religion and it's institutions and aren't even hiding it. Now I don't care if that makes you happy or sad, but you are denying that it exists, which makes no sense. You will have to put your head deeper into the ground every day to keep saying it isn't happening and will not continue to happen. sheesh
    Why should religious schools even get tax exemptions?

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays[W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    My thought is that your comments suggest is is you who is expressing a hateful and judgmental view. Disrespect by any American for the right to free exercise of religion is just as regrettable as disrespect for other fundamental First Amendment rights like the freedom of speech.
    But you're conflating a clerk performing an entirely ministerial task with the "free exercise of religion." It's a false premise from the start.

    If we adopted your view of the world, then each of us is the law unto ourselves and can pick and choose our religious beliefs, and whenever we can reasonably claim that our individually held religious beliefs are on conflict with the law, simply ignore the law, with no consequences. You're a lawyer so you know this isn't true.

    And what you're also glossing over is the fact that the 1st Amendment prohibits the government from imposing a religious test, and disadvantaging those who "fail" someone's arbitrary test.

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