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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But there's a lot of people out there who aren't and there are far too many shyster lawyers who will take on discrimination cases, hoping for a big payday.
    I don't think there's a big payday. Lawyers tend to take these cases not because it can make them a lot of money, but because they belong to some political advocacy group.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, it's not at all difficult. Have everyone sign in upon entering. Assign people to a particular window, or give them a number for the clerk to call. Clerks issue licenses to whoever comes to their window, or to all numbers to which they've been assigned. Done.
    never mind the areas that only have one clerk

    should we do this in other areas too?
    doctors? waitress/waiters? schools? employments?

    no thanks ill just stick with equal rights and everybody playing by the same rules instead of trying to invent special rules and rights for some.

    a LEGAL marriage has nothing to do with my Christianity

    and I know this doesnt apply to you but its just a question to expose thier dishonest hate and bigotry

    where was all this crying for interracial couples or couples getting a nonreligious wedding or a wedding under a different religion . . .

    its all made up anyway and theres no religious basis for it let alone a legal one. Its very easy to see through thier bigotry and it has nothing to do with religion.
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    Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays[W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Sherbert v. Verner seems to apply here. The RFRA states that its primary purpose is to restore the compelling interest standard the Court used in Sherbert. The case concerned a Seventh-Day Adventist who was fired because she would not work on Saturdays, and then denied unemployment benefits by the state. The Court made clear that government action which forces a person to abandon a religious belief to get work violates the First Amendment, unless the government can prove it serves a "compelling interest."

    "[N]ot only is it apparent that appellant's declared ineligibility for benefits derives solely from the practice of her religion, but the pressure upon her to forego that practice is unmistakable. The ruling forces her to choose between following the precepts of her religion and forfeiting benefits, on the one hand, and abandoning one of the precepts of her religion in order to accept work, on the other hand. Governmental imposition of such a choice puts the same kind of burden upon the free exercise of religion as would a fine imposed against appellant for her Saturday worship."

    Texas has an RFRA, as do quite a few other states, and I doubt those laws allow government employees to be forced to abandon the precepts of their religion as the price of keeping their jobs. But I would like to see states go much further yet. As Justice Scalia pointedly noted, the Court has no power to enforce its judgments. I hope that any state where a majority disapproves of same-sex marriage will refuse to comply with Obergefell's flagrantly lawless command. I'd like to see this equally lawless president try to order troops into a dozen states to force them to obey an unconstitutional dictate which deserves no one's respect, and which is a vile insult to democracy.
    Pretty sure Sherbert does not apply, nor does the Texas RFRA.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays[W:297]

    where are all the clerks that cried about marriages for:
    non-religious couples
    interracial couples
    inter-religious couples
    couples of a different religion of thier own
    couples getting remarried
    etc etc

    weird the crying wasnt the same but now its gay marriage BOOM!!! its the end of the world . . . its easy to see bigotry when you try to hide it so poorly

    im a christian and dont recall every reading anything in the bible or being shown anything that deals with legal marriage . . . hmmmmm
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    As I've said, this isn't what happens or is necessary in many county clerks offices. We were the only ones in the office besides the clerk the whole 20/30 minutes it took to get our license typed up. One person was there. What if that person had not approved of our marriage on religious grounds? Why should we have had to delay our plans (which would have cut into my leave period) just because someone had wanted to refuse to do their job?
    I've already said numerous times that anything that causes an undue burden would likely not pass muster.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    never mind the areas that only have one clerk

    should we do this in other areas too?
    doctors? waitress/waiters? schools? employments?

    no thanks ill just stick with equal rights and everybody playing by the same rules instead of trying to invent special rules and rights for some.

    a LEGAL marriage has nothing to do with my Christianity

    and I know this doesnt apply to you but its just a question to expose thier dishonest hate and bigotry

    where was all this crying for interracial couples or couples getting a nonreligious wedding or a wedding under a different religion . . .

    its all made up anyway and theres no religious basis for it let alone a legal one. Its very easy to see through thier bigotry and it has nothing to do with religion.
    Obviously it wouldn't work in areas that have only one clerk. Would you have a problem with it if you did believe the religious objection were valid?

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which would be fine but now Bob can sue for religious discrimination because you replaced him. We live in a hyper-litigious society after all.
    Bob can sue no matter what, but since when will government care about Bob's religion or take into account his religion when upholding what is now the law of the land? Bob as an individual is irrelevant.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Obviously it wouldn't work in areas that have only one clerk. Would you have a problem with it if you did believe the religious objection were valid?
    yes it would still not be a legit reason to infringe on the rights of others, break the law and illegally discriminate . . feelings about validity don't matter

    my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway . . .I have the same rights as everybody else and gotta play by the same rules i dont get special treatment because of my faith
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    yes it would still not be a legit reason to infringe on the rights of others, break the law and illegally discriminate . . feelings about validity don't matter

    my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway . . .I have the same rights as everybody else and gotta play by the same rules i dont get special treatment because of my faith
    It's not special treatment, we all have the same right.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's not special treatment, we all have the same right.
    correct, the way it is right now, we all have the same right.
    Some people want special treatment and they want it based on a false narrative of religion.
    If religion could be used to break the law and violate rights and illegally discriminate then anybody could use it when ever they wanted. RIghts end where others begin and thats a good system. Theres no justification infringe on the rights of others for ones beliefs. Its a lie and nobody has been able to support it ever. again not saying YOU just talking in general.
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