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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Again, nobody is being prevented from getting a marriage license. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
    You're making that assumption, which is fine, and also that the same sex couple, or mixed race couple, or Muslim couple, or atheist couple, or whatever couple fails the clerk's individual religious sensibilities doesn't face any actual barriers, such as coming back the next day, or driving to the next county. But if the situation is you take a number, and when called, Bob OR Betty takes your application, payment, checks a few boxes to see that the couple qualifies, and issues a license, then I agree that's a reasonable situation.

    Why do you feel this need to force someone to do something against their religious beliefs when an acceptable alternative can be worked out? The only plausible reason seems to be anti-religious animus.
    I can't address how the law sees it but from a principled standpoint, I don't see how a person acting as an agent of the state and employed to do a ministerial task is violating their religious beliefs by doing so. They're not asked to bless, approve, sanction, ANY marriage. Their sole task as a state/county employee issuing licenses is checking off a few boxes, and if the couple meets legal requirements, issuing a license. And given that it's certainly not "religious animus" to expect a person employed by the state to simply do their job instead of butting their heads into my choice of spouse or my religious beliefs.

    And related to the point I made earlier, if a clerk is actually motivated to only issue licenses in accordance with his or her deeply held religious beliefs, we should expect them to quiz all straight couples coming before him about their religious beliefs about marriage, and promptly refusing them a license if her own church would refuse to conduct the ceremony, as best she can tell in a 60 second or so interview. We all know that isn't going to happen because straight couples being subjected to arbitrary religious tests that vary from clerk to clerk wouldn't be tolerated in that office or in that town or county. We could measure their careers in that job in hours or days, not weeks.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Some gay bashing beatings bulling and so on is okay in your eyes. It is also more than just some a lot of this goes on. Lots and Lots. You may not feel like that if you are in the minority. To say oh it's no big deal because all segment hate. Wow that is really special. I will look at te immigration comment.
    You know, I can't imagine how you could possibly get from anything that I posted that gay bashing and beatings are okay in my eyes.

    I guess it's important to you to invent enemies to feed your victimhood.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You know, I can't imagine how you could possibly get from anything that I posted that gay bashing and beatings are okay in my eyes.

    I guess it's important to you to invent enemies to feed your victimhood.

    Have a nice day.
    I did not say you said this action was okay you pushed it off as if you were swatting a fly. It is a very big problem. I am not now or have I ever been a victim. You made light of the problem. You have a nice day as well.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I did not say you said this action was okay you pushed it off as if you were swatting a fly. It is a very big problem. I am not now or have I ever been a victim. You made light of the problem. You have a nice day as well.
    BS

    "Some gay bashing beatings bulling and so on is okay in your eyes."

    And yes, to invent an enemy that doesn't exist is playing victim. Get over it.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    You're getting better. Not showing that public school education as much.
    Now, what is it that you want to know?
    Another failed insult and still zero facts to support your claim. Again lets us know when you can post one fact that supports the lies you posts. thanks
    Your post fails and facts win again
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    If many states followed Texas's we could tie up the courts all over the country showing this pathetic law is just that pathetic. Texas is the Lexus of justice.
    The cons are good at throwing fits, which is all this would be doing. The law is settled, get used to it.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Bull****, this could've been accomplished years ago by civil unions. It was not necessary to redefine marriage.
    another lie that will never be true and that no topically educated person will ever take seriously. lol
    also marriage wasnt redefined thats another failed sound-byte that just gets mocked

    remind us again how many states also banned civil unions AND domestic partnerships and some even went as far as any contracts between two homosexuals that reassembled marriage in any way. (just as many that tried to infringing on equal rights and ban marriage)

    remind us when that first happened also (1970 for marriage and then in 2000 for civil unions and domestic partnerships once gays started trying for those)

    remind us how you make civil unions = to marriage since that impossible.

    sorry your claim is factually false and facts win again
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays[W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Paxton: State workers can deny licenses to same-sex couples

    Here we go the first actual decent from the Joy. I think this is doomed before it starts. There is no end to hate and judgement IMO. Thoughts.
    My thought is that your comments suggest is is you who is expressing a hateful and judgmental view. Disrespect by any American for the right to free exercise of religion is just as regrettable as disrespect for other fundamental First Amendment rights like the freedom of speech.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're making that assumption, which is fine, and also that the same sex couple, or mixed race couple, or Muslim couple, or atheist couple, or whatever couple fails the clerk's individual religious sensibilities doesn't face any actual barriers, such as coming back the next day, or driving to the next county. But if the situation is you take a number, and when called, Bob OR Betty takes your application, payment, checks a few boxes to see that the couple qualifies, and issues a license, then I agree that's a reasonable situation.
    Yes, I think we agree on this. Something like coming back the next day, having to drive to a different office, or going to a dedicated line for same sex marriages would likely not pass muster given the recent ruling.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I can't address how the law sees it but from a principled standpoint, I don't see how a person acting as an agent of the state and employed to do a ministerial task is violating their religious beliefs by doing so. They're not asked to bless, approve, sanction, ANY marriage. Their sole task as a state/county employee issuing licenses is checking off a few boxes, and if the couple meets legal requirements, issuing a license.
    Yes, and this is where it gets difficult. I certainly don't have a religious belief that would preclude me from issuing a marriage license, but also don't feel comfortable in saying that those who claim to are being insincere. And, certainly we don't want to put the government in the position of having to determine which beliefs are or are not valid.

    I suppose that my position is that compelling people to issue licenses by threatening their jobs is probably not the best solution if there is a way to ensure that those who need licenses get them without undue burden, while enabling the religious objector to maintain their job.

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