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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Well, no - the issue was whether firing employees violated the Texas RFA. It is at the very least a mix of State/Fed law, in which case the State court system is an acceptable venue.
    Firing employees for not doing their job does not violate the Texas RFA. They are not being fired for their religious beliefs, and their religious beliefs cannot be used as an excuse to discriminate against people. Now, this doesn't mean that they will be fired, but that they can be if they refuse to issue marriage license for couples. The more likely situation is actually that they will be sued, along with the state, for refusing to issue marriage license to same sex couples.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Your pity is wasted. I am above you in every conceivable sense.
    Should your child have children of his own, you should hope that sex at puberty is not legalized. Otherwise, he'll be serviced by strange men in school before he could realize that he doesn't like it.
    Or, maybe you find that normal as well. I mean, they thought gay marriage wouldn't happen too. And, look at where we are now.
    I'm trying to figure out how SSM relates to legalizing pedophilia. The first involves consenting adults, the second involves children.

    It's sort of like saying that because straight marriages are legal, that if she had a daughter she ought to worry about straight men "servicing" that daughter in school before she could realize she doesn't like it.

    And why would supporters of SSM be more likely to find that normal than straight people? And if pedophilia or sex with minors is legalized, it will be obviously driven by straight people.

    Sounds like you've been listening to Bryan Fischer a bit too much.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    I'm paying too much as it is. Now, I'll probably have to pay to clean up after the hands on segment of gay studies is finished.
    So straight up bigotry is how you're demonstrating your intellectual superiority? Any fool can make childish jokes at the expense of others.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Either way, the states in which a girl can get an abortion at any age have in essence stated that they can make that adult decision own their own.
    So, how is making the adult decision to get married such a stretch?
    Go do some reading on why some states allow minors to get abortions without parental consent, and then start a thread about abortion and the age of consent. This thread is about marriage. They're different subjects with different considerations as it relates to age.

    For someone claiming intellectual superiority, contending that age limits for one activity and age limits for another, totally different activity, must be the exact same or else HYPOCRISY, isn't a good approach.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Rule over like I'm the boss and you're the employee.
    And what makes you think that fags should have more right then everybody else? It may come as a surprise to you, but no one has an right to get married. Even and in spite of the recent SC ruling.
    OK, officially a troll!

    BTW, the SC disagrees with you about the right to get married.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't think any of those are examples of sincerely held religious beliefs.
    That's part of the problem with those laws. I'm not sure that opposition to SSM is in most cases based on sincerely held religious beliefs rather than animus against gays. If you're a clerk, or just an individual, deeply worried about the sanctity of marriage, and the only marriages that cause you concern are those between same sex couples, then you're probably actually not all that concerned about the sanctity of marriage but instead mostly just don't approve of homosexuals.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I'm not saying that the State supreme court will not be a venue. It won't be the final say though especially considering that, in theory, enough clerks may choose to exercise this right that would require higher intervention.
    The case would be clerk vs State of Texas. If Texas loses, the only way it would go to Federal Court is if the Attorney General (the guy in the OP telling clerks they have this right) were to appeal. Doesn't seem too likely.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The case would be clerk vs State of Texas. If Texas loses, the only way it would go to Federal Court is if the Attorney General (the guy in the OP telling clerks they have this right) were to appeal. Doesn't seem too likely.
    Under the law, the clerk wouldn't have a case, and you better believe that the state of Texas, even with such a lawsuit, would defend themselves to the highest possible extent.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, actually they don't. Almost certainly this would be filed under a federal complaint. Likely anyone denied or even just delayed a marriage license would file a federal lawsuit, not a state one. This would put it in federal court. Just like this case was looking at:
    Different legal battle. We were discussing the clerk who sues the State for violating its RFA because the employee was terminated for refusing to perform a function contrary to their religious beliefs.

    State court.

    This is irrelevant.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter where the belief comes from. The belief is there, and sincerely held. This whole "religion is protected" thing is taking the 1st Amendment much farther than it was ever meant to go, and the SCOTUS ruled against such things. You cannot use your religious beliefs to justify breaking the law, discriminating against others, particularly in the performance of your duties as a state/government employee.
    The law would not be broken. Everyone would get their license. Everyone wins. Sorry the "some pigs are more equal than others" crowd finds that so frustrating.

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