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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    oh homeschooling is it? Perhaps you could form an amish conclave, totally cut off from the 'evils' of the real world
    Why should they be completely isolated from those that they will one day rule over?
    You would call it being their employers. But, the concept is still the same.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    With respect to the RFA, I believe that the plaintiffs get to pick the venue, so wouldn't "the top" in this instance would be the men and women that the people of Texas have elected to sit on their Supreme Court?
    No, actually they don't. Almost certainly this would be filed under a federal complaint. Likely anyone denied or even just delayed a marriage license would file a federal lawsuit, not a state one. This would put it in federal court. Just like this case was looking at:

    Governor calls for firing of justice in interracial marriage case - CNN.com

    This is a ridiculous.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    *not* getting an abortion is also an adult level decision. The responsibilities are actually quite more serious once the kid is born
    Either way, the states in which a girl can get an abortion at any age have in essence stated that they can make that adult decision own their own.
    So, how is making the adult decision to get married such a stretch?
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The belief must be sincerely held.

    Under what law??

    That case has nothing to do with religion.
    Doesn't matter where the belief comes from. The belief is there, and sincerely held. This whole "religion is protected" thing is taking the 1st Amendment much farther than it was ever meant to go, and the SCOTUS ruled against such things. You cannot use your religious beliefs to justify breaking the law, discriminating against others, particularly in the performance of your duties as a state/government employee.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Why should they be completely isolated from those that they will one day rule over?
    You would call it being their employers. But, the concept is still the same.
    rule over like how the right wing fanatics are ruling over us on gay rights?

    i know that having social skills and compassion are anathema to corporate overlords, but the odds of attaining such a position are so slim, those kids would be better off actually integrating with the 21st century, whether you approve of it or not

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, if the only reason their wait times are different is because of something like their race, sex, religion, relative races, sexes, or religions, then yes, that is covered under "equal protection".
    If the office had a policy in place that clearly resulted in one group having to wait longer, then yes. But if it's just a couple that gets "emotionally damaged" because the clerk that was there to assist them had to tie his shoe, causing them to wait an extra minute, then good luck with your case.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If the office had a policy in place that clearly resulted in one group having to wait longer, then yes. But if it's just a couple that gets "emotionally damaged" because the clerk that was there to assist them had to tie his shoe, causing them to wait an extra minute, then good luck with your case.
    That is absolutely not how the law works. Anyone who refuses to issue a marriage license to any same sex couple who is employed by the state to issue those licenses can be sued and is likely going to lose their case under federal law. They are going to be said to violate the rights of the people involved in the case. This will be an equal protection lawsuit.

    We aren't talking about a delay that is due to something mundane, and you know it. We are talking about a refusal by a particular clerk to give a same sex couple a marriage license.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    rule over like how the right wing fanatics are ruling over us on gay rights?
    Rule over like I'm the boss and you're the employee.
    And what makes you think that fags should have more right then everybody else? It may come as a surprise to you, but no one has an right to get married. Even and in spite of the recent SC ruling.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Maybe you should read it, particularly the last section on Civil Rights. That Act does not protect a person (unless they are operating specifically in the function of a religious entity at that time, which is definitely not the clerk of the court or a judge or JoP) from prosecution when they violate another person's civil rights. In other words, they cannot use their religion as an excuse to discriminate against people.

    110.011. CIVIL RIGHTS. (a) Except as provided in
    Subsection (b), this chapter does not establish or eliminate a
    defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution under a federal or
    state civil rights law.
    I never claimed it offered such protection, or even considered it. Still, I have no idea how you read that section and concluded that it implies they "cannot use their religion as an excuse to discriminate against people".

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    The Government cannot allow employees to say get screwed I will not do my job because I believe otherwise. What if clerk who are Christian decided they won't issue to Muslims or atheists decide they will not issue to anyone who is getting married in any church or if white clerks would not issue to Asians or Blacks. What if clerks of German decent would not issue to anyone who isn't German. No you suspend the first clerk who does not issue to a gay and the problem is over.
    I don't think any of those are examples of sincerely held religious beliefs.

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