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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Probably true, but I don't think "equal protection" means that two groups have the exact same wait times (within a few minutes or seconds).
    Actually, if the only reason their wait times are different is because of something like their race, sex, religion, relative races, sexes, or religions, then yes, that is covered under "equal protection".
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Of course, you'd also be sued under the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Perhaps these clerks are in for a lawsuit no matter what action they take.
    Maybe you should read it, particularly the last section on Civil Rights. That Act does not protect a person (unless they are operating specifically in the function of a religious entity at that time, which is definitely not the clerk of the court or a judge or JoP) from prosecution when they violate another person's civil rights. In other words, they cannot use their religion as an excuse to discriminate against people.

    110.011. CIVIL RIGHTS. (a) Except as provided in
    Subsection (b), this chapter does not establish or eliminate a
    defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution under a federal or
    state civil rights law.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Why would I be sued? I would suspend the employee for not doing there job? I would not be suing them because they have a religious belief.
    Because there may be a way that the government can fulfill its interest in issuing licenses without firing people because they refuse to act in a manner contrary to their religious beliefs.

    Non issuance of a license because a couple is gay is discrimination and it would break laws. Being religious does not give a person the right to break the law or not do their job. Government is not telling them what to believe and what church you go to.
    Not talking about non issuance, as discussed earlier.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    It would if it was shown that girls of any age were already allowed to make adult level decision absent for their parent's or guardian's consent.
    *not* getting an abortion is also an adult level decision. The responsibilities are actually quite more serious once the kid is born

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Which is why my children will rule their children.
    oh homeschooling is it? Perhaps you could form an amish conclave, totally cut off from the 'evils' of the real world

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Because there may be a way that the government can fulfill its interest in issuing licenses without firing people because they refuse to act in a manner contrary to their religious beliefs.


    Not talking about non issuance, as discussed earlier.
    The Government cannot allow employees to say get screwed I will not do my job because I believe otherwise. What if clerk who are Christian decided they won't issue to Muslims or atheists decide they will not issue to anyone who is getting married in any church or if white clerks would not issue to Asians or Blacks. What if clerks of German decent would not issue to anyone who isn't German. No you suspend the first clerk who does not issue to a gay and the problem is over.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I find it hard to believe that in the context of allowing discrimination that the religious freedom act will withstand the scrutiny of constant court battles when taken to task. It sounds like yet another issue that will rise to the top and be struck down.
    With respect to the RFA, I believe that the plaintiffs get to pick the venue, so wouldn't "the top" in this instance would be the men and women that the people of Texas have elected to sit on their Supreme Court?

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Where?
    In his dreams.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Because there may be a way that the government can fulfill its interest in issuing licenses without firing people because they refuse to act in a manner contrary to their religious beliefs.


    Not talking about non issuance, as discussed earlier.
    They are a government employee. They cannot refuse to do their job because of religious beliefs. I have provided you with the evidence of this fact. Their job is issuing marriage licenses. They do not get to pick and choose who they issue those licenses to just because they have religious beliefs against certain couples, certain groups. They deserve to be fired for not doing their job.

    Ever notice how this was never suggested recently to be okay when it came to issuing licenses to interracial couples or interfaith couples? It is because there is obvious animosity towards same sex couples, which is wrong.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter if you don't know of any. Religion doesn't have to be known in order to be a protected belief/religion.
    The belief must be sincerely held.

    The law is simple, antidiscrimination laws, public accommodation laws. The government cannot discriminate against people and any state employee that refuses to serve someone due to their race, religion, or any other such characteristics/traits just because they don't approve is subject to lawsuits, as well as punishment by the agency employing them.
    Under what law??

    Seriously, this has been covered before, not all that long ago in fact.

    Louisiana justice who refused interracial marriage resigns - CNN.com

    "Bardwell, speaking to CNN affiliate WBRZ, said he was advised "that I needed to step down because they was going to take me to court, and I was going to lose.""

    Federal antidiscrimination laws make this illegal. You cannot refuse to serve someone who legally has a right to the service you provide, not as a state employee.
    That case has nothing to do with religion.

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